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There was an article in Handloader about the 444 by Bryan Pierce. His summary is the 444 is 3/4 of a 45-70, so yes, the tripple 4 will have less recoil. For the species you're after, I don't think you'd see any difference in terminal performance between the rounds. My only gripe about the 444 is there just aren't as many suitable component bullets for it. A good 300-320 gr hardcast bullet would be the berries in it. Lee makes a 310 gr mold, and many folks are fond of that bullet in the tripple 4. | |||
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| <10point> |
You can always get a .450 Marlin. Correct me if Im wrong but I think you can wring a bit more from then you can 45/70. The guide gun is one slick little package and its a sweetheart to shoot. I have ASHLEY Ghost rings sights on mine. I dont think you can go wrong with either of the three chamberings...........10 | ||
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quote: You're wrong, the 45-70 is a slightly larger case, and thus loaded to the same pressure, has a miniscule advantage over the 450. For all intents and purposes the 45-70 and 450 are the same in the same gun, but the 45-70 fans love to jump on the 450 fans. | |||
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Thunder, I have a 45-70 guide gun with ghost ring sights that I use as a back-up rifle or wrangler rifle, etc. Like 10 Point said, it is a sweet little package. If I was primarily using it for whitetails and black bears then I would go with the 444. I would still use the Ashely sights but with a smaller dia. peep than the ghost ring. I would also put Q-detachable 1X4 or a 1.5X5 leupold on it. I think that would be a perfect combo for deer and blacks under 200 yards.
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| <JJS> |
Thunder, Can't help you on the deer side, but I used the .45-70 with Ashley peep sights for black bear. Like it was said above, nice little package. It worked fine for me. | ||
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| <45/70 marlin> |
The 444 and the 45/70 are both fine cartrides.Both will be plenty for deer and black bear.I prefer the 45/70 due to a better selection of bullets than the 444.There are bullets made for the 45/70 from 250 grains up to 550+ grains.The 444 is mainly limited to bullets between 240 and 300 grains,although Beartooth Bullets does make a 405 grain cast bullet for the 444.The 444 usally has less recoil than the 45/70.If recoil is a problem the 45/70 can be loaded down to cowboy velocities and still be very deadly and have excellent penetration due too the heavy large caliber bullets. | ||
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| <303hunter> |
Don't forget the limited run of .35 Remington Guide Guns made for Davidsons. They are still available on the net. Exactly like the bigger bores save for caliber. Perfect for the game you mention. | ||
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| one of us |
The .444 is a power house, and with full(read hot;maximum) loads of 56gr H335 and 330gr Beartooth LFNGC's, it is NOT a light recoiling rifle. I also use 300gr Speer UCSP's...The triple 4 also produces more energy than the 45/70 as a result of the higher velocities achieved (2200fps with the aforementioned loads) and as quoted by Handloader (I'm pretty sure?) or another gun magazine I bought a couple years ago, "what a 45/70 will do w/ a 400gr bullet, a 444 will accomplish it with a 300gr bullet" Now, being that I reload, the 444 is a great pick for me...but if you don't reload, and can get some Garrett's Hammerhead rounds, go with the 45/70. ------------------ | |||
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