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30-06 with a 200 gr Nosler Partition at 2550 fps or so should be ok. Would it be my first pick? ....no it would not. | ||
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Quote: Do you honestly think that the bear would notice the difference between a 7mmRM shooting a 160 gr bullet and a 30-06 using a 180gr? SD for a .30 cal 180gr Partition is .271. A 7mm 160gr Partition is .283. Sure, that's just 'on paper,' but I still doubt there would be a noticable difference. How many bears have you killed? | |||
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this new format has been giving me fits. lack of computer skills. think i have a handle on it now. gatehouse; not sure if the b.b. would know the diff' between a 7mm and a .30-06. the b.b. probably would not like either one. i do know that u will find it very hard for a guide to take you on a b.b. hunt w/ a 7mm. they have to draw the line somewhere and that is usually above a 160 gr. 7mm. as for my experience, i have one 11' boone and crocket brwon bear under my belt. i think it is fair to say that many residents don't have a b.b.. i have hunted ak. 1-2 weeks every year for the last 8 yrs. i meet all the state requirments for an assistant guides lic. i have taken most of the animals up there. i have numerous entries in the s.c.i. book. while a 7mm may be fine for the mtn. grizzly in b.c., we are talking about coastal b.b. here much bigger animal. now tell us about your experience. maybe you should gain some ak. experience on our side of the border , before you go questioning those who already have it. cold zero  | |||
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Cold Zero,We in BC have coastal grizzly bears,but we don't have brown bears.Our coastal grizzly bear overlap into the brown bear size range.If you look at an atlas,you will see why. | |||
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The only thing the Bear noticed after my buddy shot it with a 30-06 is that it was still able to kill that funny looking two legged creature making funny noises with a stick, then it also died. The dead hunter had killed several with that 30-06, always having a good angle, this time the only angle was an enraged, charging, 1200 pound Brown Bear that covered 100 yards in 6 seconds, absorbing shots, but still living long enough to snuff out the life of a good hunter-husband-father-brother-friend.   Shoot the biggest thing you can handle instinctively, or stay away from them. | |||
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Cold zero The topic was about the 30-06. I said that a bear wouldn't know the difference between a 30-06 and a 7RM. . In your initial post, you said "a 180gr is already marginal, 160gr is worse" or something like that. And I asked you if you honestly thought that the bear would notice the difference. I still think that the difference is too marginal to measure. If you read my initial post, you would see that I would use my .375 H&H. I've been to Alaska twice, but never hunted there. Much of Alaska reminded me of BC, so I felt rigth at home. I'm sure the bears on Kodiak are bigger than the BC coastal bears, but I know the coastal BC bears can get pretty darn big. Not all grizzlies in BC are 'mountain grizzlies.' I have only been grizzly hunting once, as I have never drawn a tag. I have shot a few large black bears, too. I've been around lots of black and grizzly bears. I can't count how many I've seen, many of them up close. We went grizzly hunting without a guide, in a remote area on the northern coast of BC. You can find the story somewhere around here, if you like. Do you have to have a guide for a non resident to hunt grizzlies in Alaska? | |||
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gatehouse; unfortunately, u do need a guide as a non resident/alien. as u know not cheap. while b.c. likely has bigger grizzlys than ak. they are the size of small to medium size b.b. in the better areas. size of animal has to do with difficulty stopping it quickly. i have been to b.c. several times and understand what the point was about the size. my friend is mounting one up now from the penticton, b.c. area now. while i might consider using a 7mm with 175 gr. on a grizzly bear, i would not on a b.b. i had a frightening incident near atlin, b.c. with a grizzly while hunting moose in sept. 2001. cold zero  | |||
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Here are some quotes from a BC Outfitter from Bella Coola, on the coast of BC. This is where we went grizzly hunting. A mature coastal boar grizzly will square 9-10 feet and will weight 800-1000 pounds in the fall. Mature boar black bears will square over 7 feet and will weigh 450-550 pounds. Their great size is due to the abundance of feed in this BC rain forest region. Here is from an Alaskan Outfitter. One thing is beyond question, the Alaska Peninsula has been producing the largest hides and largest skull sizes in Alaska over the last 20 years, and anyone considers those to be trophy Brown Bears. Bears from our camp have ranged between 8 foot 8 inches and 11 foot 6 inches in size with an overall average of 9 foot 4 inches for many years. There are no excuses, a "camp legal" bear will measure 9' or more. It is our goal to only take bears that square more than 9' and we do that... for everyone. Want to see? Click here. Seldom has a season gone by that we have not taken at least one bear over the 10' mark. Yes, we do occasionally take bears in the upper 8' range. Sounds like the Alaskan bears are bigger, which we knew all along, but the coastal grizzlies of BC are still in the same range. Most of the grizzlies around Penticton and in the interior are not as big, of course. | |||
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If the only gun I owned was a 30-06 I would not hesitate one dam bit to hunt Kodiak Brownies or Kenai Brownies with 220g slugs  Beware the man with only one gun  | |||
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Quote: Gatehouse, The Alaska Pennisula is nowhere near the BC Coast. So how that relates to the size of the bears in your area (our area, as I live in S.E. Alaska) in not clear to me. | |||
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Quote: BW If you look at the post I made above, you'll see that the BC outfitter describes bears that are 9-10 feet and 800- 1000 lbs. The Alaskan outfitter describes bears ranging from 8'8"- 11'6". And that the average bear taken is 9'4" I don't think there are many 11' bears in BC. As we all know, Alaska is going to produce more, larger bears. the only point I'm trying to illustrate is that simialr conditions exist along the BC coast as exist along the Alaskan coast. Plenty of salmon, shorter denning times and warmer winters, all combine ot give the bears on the coast a better chance of gettign bigger. Cold zero remarked that a BC bear would resemble a small Alaskan coastal bear, and that may be true of the BC interior bears, but not the mature BC coastal bears. They are still not as large as the Alaskan bears, but I wouldn't say that these bears would be classified as 'small' anywhere. When I used the term 'range' I was describing size range, not area, if that's what you were referring to. | |||
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Bearhunt'r: You are absolutely correct. A case of not verifying before typing. I apologize to one & all on the board for the misinformed comment on a 220 gr. bullet from a .30-06 not qualifying for use on the bison drawing hunts. I'll endeavor in the future to be more careful with my comments however I have to stand on the rest of my opinions regarding its use on BB. Regards to all. Bear in Fairbanks | |||
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I live in Delta Junction where bison hunt are held.I see them all the time and the are powerful to say the least.You should go to the Silver Fox Roadhouse by Sawmill Creek Road and see the Buffalo Board inside.There are guys that shoot these buffalo with 458s 3 to 5 times they are tough as hell.The 375H&H has been used too and I didnt see any one shot kills.I had a friend who lived on Sawmill Creek Road and the buffalo stayed on his farm all the time.He has passed so I can tell this.He shot 21 buffalo in one day on his farm with a 30-06 but he shot everyone behind the ear.They were eating his first crop of barley.He had to clean all of them and haul all of then to Fairbanks.This was in 1954.He shot grizzleys behind the ear with his 243 and the last buffalo he ever shot right behind the ear.There are alot of grizzleys here too.I carry my 416 rem mag as my brush gun down on the river there cause a long shot is about 15 ft on the Tanana River.I also use it as my tent and truck gun at night for bears.I have seen buffalo there run through 12" trees making splinters out of them.I have seen grizzleys pull off car doors and flip metal dumpsters.The strongest one picked my broncos front wheels off the ground as he pushed on the trailer hooked to it.I was inside of it pointing my 416 Rem mag right at him.I say now there is no gun too big for the buffalo or grizzleys of Alaska.If you have to hunt with little guns bring a metal box for your remains and pay your life insurance up. | |||
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dgr416, Do you ever do that winter moose hunt that takes place in January off the Healy River drainage? I was thinking of going up that way and doing that hunt on snowmachine. | |||
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Quote: Keywords: largest and easily........answer: Nope. | |||
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This to me is about the most interesting topic on any gun forum and the one most often replied to by those with little or no experience with big bears. I have more than 40 yrs. serious bush experience in Grizzly country, this includes living alone in extreme isolation for months on end without anyone to assist me in case of an accident or bear attack. I have owned and used nearly 100 big game rifles and have used a variety of calibers for bear defence while supervising various forestry crews in Grizzly country. I have used the .30-06 for this purpose. I have discussed bears and bear guns with many genuine old timers, men who were in their 80s when I started overnight bush trips some 40 yrs. ago. I know and have talked with some of the most prominent bear biologists and hunting guides and outfitters in B.C. and Alberta, I have been in Alaska and the N.W.T. I will not go into bear country to hunt or work without a CRF .338Win. Mag., or a .375H&H or a custom lever gun with 400gr. bullets at 1900+fps. My bullets must be 250grs Nosler Pts. or Swift A-Frames in .338, 300grs in .375 or 286 gr. in my 9.3x74r, I use Swifts in the two 45-70s I have. I am, when in practice, a fair rifle shot and have shot many quickfire freehand 4" groups @ 100 yds with fullhouse magnums, but, shot placement is NOT everything. I cannot remember how many bear encounters I have had, but, I will NEVER use small caliber rifles in Grizzly country. I have known people who were killed by bears and these were very experienced bush people, not urban hunters with fantasies about W.D.M. Bell, Jack O'Connor or any other writer. I worked with and knew people who guided O'Connor and they were not overly impressed with his bush skills. If, I were going back to work in the bush now, I would get a CRF .416 Remington, loaded with 400 gr. Swifts or Nozzies; this with a drop mag to hold 5 shots all told. I read everything that I can find by Phil Shoemaker, he is the only American gunwriter since Elmer Keith that has a clue about big bears in thick cover. I use some of the same rifles and loads that he does which I worked up on my own and feel strongly that nobody should use marginal cartridges when dealing with big bears. As Gatehouse correctly states, a 160 X Bullet will penetrate both shoulders of a Grizzly, but, why not use the .375 as he does; it is a hell of a lot easier on the nerves and a bit safer should you blow the first shot. This is really all commonsense as most hunting and bush things are. The '06 is a hell of a cartridge, but, it is a bit light for big bears. | |||
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I have no experience with brown bear, but have dealt with a few coastal grizzlies. If was planning to chase them I would opt for the noslers or something of that design (partition). I also would only shoot at 100 yards or less and opt not to take the ruger #1 on this adventure. | |||
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