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A guy in northern Californi just took this monster boar. http://www.wonews.com/t-Huntin...cordBoar_060612.aspx  A 733.51-POUND wild boar was shot by Joe Orth of Oakdale, placing it as the No. 1 “Wild free range boar” record in California. His friend Steve Bishop of Escalon is to the right. CLOVERDALE — Last month my wife Cathy bought me a wild hog hunt for my birthday. She found out about Rhinos Guide Service (located in Linden) from our friend and taxidermist Robert Bradley (also of Oakdale). Kerry Griffith owns and operates the business and is as friendly and enjoyable as they come. My friend and hunting buddy of 35 years, Steve Bishop of Escalon, was with my wife when she set up the hunt. Steve joined me for this memorable day. We hunted a private ranch between Cloverdale and Fort Bragg. We were both successful. I shot my boar with a .270 WSM at 215 yards. Kerry knew we had something special. The boar was measured and weighed. My boar is the new all-time No. 1 in California and No. 3 in the world in the “Free range wild boar weight class.” His final score is 733.51 pounds which beats the previous California state record in this category by 106 pounds. Joe Orth lives in Oakdale, California. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | ||
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Congratulations to an Oakdale hunter. Go Mustangs! ...I say that hunters go into Paradise when they die, and live in this world more joyfully than any other men. -Edward, duke of York ". . . when a man has shot an elephant his life is full." ~John Alfred Jordan "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." Cicero - 55 BC "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." - Ayn Rand Cogito ergo venor- KPete “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.” ― Adam Smith - “Wealth of Nations” | |||
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The guide service said it weighs 373, which would be more along what I would guess, and NOT the 733.51 that the hunter claims. Maybe he was adding the weight of the hunter and guide along with the hog...  Even with placing the men several feet behind the hog and using a lens that proportionally distorts the foreground, that still does not look like a 700 pound animal -- and the guide says it's not. Here is that link: http://www.rhinosguideservice.com/ Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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Thanks Bobby...that is more like it... Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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For sake of comparison, this Volkswagon of a hog, with less length than the one in question but sporting notably more girth, weighed 353 pounds on an old farm scale that is accurate to within perhaps 3-4 pounds. Had a photo been taken from ground level, with wide angle and me a step or so behind the hog, I'd have been dwarfed while the hog would have loomed large in the image.  Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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I realize that articles can have typos and writers are not always the most "competent" but I found several phrases a little funny? 1. "His final score is..." Not sure what you score with weight. It either weighs a certain amount or it doesn't 2. Also, what scale that can measure animals weighs to 2 decimal places 3. I know of no group SCI, P&Y, B&C, or CIC that uses weight as a metric for trophies. So I am not sure what "book" this is number 1 or 3 in. But nice big pig. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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.....or, the guide service typed the weight numbers in reversed, which happens all the time. I admit I have my doubts, but I wasn't there, and I'm not saying what the boar weighed, but I'm also not sure it didn't weigh 700 plus pounds. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I sent the guide the following email. It will be interesting if he replies.
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Looks like Walter and Saeed are up to their old tricks.  Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Mystery is solved. I got a quick reply from Kerry Griffith, the guide on this hunt, who has been guiding for over 20 years. Since I don't have permission to quote his email, I am going to hit the high points.....the hog WEIGHED 373 pounds about 6 hours after being shot....the newpaper article incorrectly substituted "pounds" for points. He SCORED 733 ponts using the Weiser wt and tusk record method which combines wt and tusk measurements. That's all, folks. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Hell of a good hog regardless. | |||
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Has anybody ever heard of this system before? I went and look it up...never heard of it till today. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I'd rather shoot one that eats a little better, say a 150lb sow. You can't eat tusk and gristle.  Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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It was developed by the man that started the Hog Hunter magazine or Boar hunter magazine, whatever it was called. Economic times have put the magazine out of business I believe. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Now, now...what is this disbelief about a free range 373 lb wild pig. Last time us CA guys expressed disbelief about a 45O or 500 lb pig we were accused of being ignorant of the ways of the wild...LoL Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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If that's the case would it still be considered the new free-range record? Big ol' porker either way. | |||
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We've got PLENTY of free range hogs up here in Bowie/Red River County and across the river in McCurtain County, Ok and I know personally of at least 10 killed or caught in the last few years that weighed 450 or better, so the idea that a free range feral hog can't weigh 375 or more is absolute crap given access to decent nutrition which we have in abundance in this area. Rare, no doubt, because that 10 is out of probably tens of thousands of hogs caught or killed. Personally, I've killed 3 over 300, but the largest was just over 350. The guide who emailed the details said he'd been guiding 20 years and this was the biggest he had seen killed. He is a helluva outdoorsman and his site advertises ONLY free range hunting. I have no reason to disbelieve him. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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It is an impressive animal, and that should be enough for anyone. So some facts are hazy or a little off, Who Really Cares, it is a feral hog. Most states do not even consider them game animals. If this is some good news for California Hunters and Hunting, why try to rain on their parade? The first feral hog I ever killed weighed in at 325 field dressed at the processors. That should put live weight at over 350, and that happened 15 or 16 years ago. I have not had a shot at one that big since then, and in fact cannot remember seeing one that big since, with the exception of a few game cam pics and from my expierience, guessing the weight of an animal from a game cam picture is pure guess work. We really need for hunting season to get here, because it seems like all folks want to do is find reasons to try and belittle people over what to them may be the biggest trophy of their life. JMO. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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My brother and I used to hunt pigs in that area, about 25 years ago. The biggest I ever saw would have been in the 150 pound range. 353 pounds is a damned big pig! | |||
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Not to get this too far OT but what is the difference in the deer population numbers between where you hunt in Texas and where you hunt in NW Oklahoma? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I have a friend who pass away before we enjoyed a guided wild boar hunt in Northern California (the size of which - Northern California - can match and exceed the size of many states). My friend had participated in guided wild boar hunts every few years over a 20+ year timeframe. All hunts were on private land or a combination of private land and state/federal land depending upon where the boars could be located as they were free ranging not pen released animals. Why use a guide after having hunted the area a few times? Very simple, hunting guides have contracted with the land owners for sole access to the land...so no hunting guide no access to prime hunting land for the typical California hunter...especially when the hunter is not a local resident who can expend the time to properly scout public land or gain access to private land through friendship. I've reread the thread and the hunting article multiple times and nowhere do I find where it was identified as a fenced-canned hunt - other than it being alluded to in a couple of posts. The 'bought' in the article solely referenced to the hunter's wife purchasing a guided wild boar hunt for her husband...lucky man. If purchasing and partipating in a guided hunt equates to a disparaging 'bought' context then I fear that is a 'context' that covers the vast majority of the AR forum membership past, current, or future. So instead of disparaging this hunter for for enjoying a guided hunt purchased as a present from his wife, why not just enjoy his good luck and perhaps drop hints to your wife as to how lucky that man was. Perhaps she'll take the hint.Jim  "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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Just curious. Seems like where there are higher concentrations of a species the animals tend to be smaller. Probably the difference in this case, is that there is probably more food stuffs available around the place in Oklahoma than in the east Texas area. Just a guess on that. However the same thing probably holds true for hogs. In areas with higher numbers of pigs, individual animals may just not get enough to eat to reach the larger sizes. JAO. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Me...I am just still weightin (pun intended) to see a free range pig hanging from a scale and the scale reading over 400 lbs... Of course giving them access to corn from feeders is not quite free range in my book. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Even then, it is not a guaranteed thing. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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How bout giving them access to corn growing in a field? | |||
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Sorry, it is a proven fact that animals feeding on a food plot, natural or man generated will not get as fat as animals feeding at a timed feeder. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Sorry but my post wasn't about hog size, but rather why is hunting wild animals that live around a feeder any different from hunting wild animals that live around farms that grow grain? They are both being fed. Both can be expected to be found in areas where the grain is. Hunting over a feeder is using bait but hunting over a freshly harvested cornfield isn't? You know, that old argument! And, why it matters if a hog is free-range or not. They arean't even game animals. Maybe in CA since they have tags, but you know as well as anyone here CH, they are vermin in most places. Free range, Penned, Feeder, Spotlight, Hounds, Helicopter, Muzzleloader, Shotgun, Double Rife, Knife, Spear, or my favorite pig weapon the AK-47. It just doesn't matter. No need to pick apart the hunter's hunt. He killed a pig. Participated in a hunt. Had a good time. Etc, Etc. I mean, how much snobbery can we place on a hog hunt, and why do we place snobbery on any hunt? BTW Mike, none of this is directed at you, just more of a rant! OK, I'm off my soap box now! | |||
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Todd, I was being facetous. Had you read any of the previous posts that had been made?
Not trying to take this any further off topic, but this is exactly what I have been pointing out on a couple of other threads. Why have some hunters decided that they need to attack another hunter over the animal they killed/the method of hunting they used/the equipment they used/or where they did their hunt? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Too bad Dad and I didn't have a scale to weigh several of the biggest ones we shot down in the brush country of south Texas over the years. They were as big or bigger than the one in the photos. One was so big the Mexican hired hands we gave him to had to pull him up in a tree for skinning with a truck because four of them couldn't pull him off the ground themselves! | |||
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My opinion on why shooting over a feeder is different. Your opinion will be diferent. A farmer plants a cornfield. The pig lives in cover and selects a particular cornfield to feed in based on its instincts of being able to move to/from that cornfield safely as part of its daily pattern based on its need for food water and cover. It may or may not go that corn field based on the availability of other food in the area. Additionally, the corn field is not there all year round when the corn is gone the pig goes for other food. That cornfield was planted as an independent decision by a farmer to raise corn and how well that corn comes in depends on different variables. Placing a feeder in the middle of an animals cover that dispenses food at a particular time and all year round is contrived in my book and yes, I would feel the same way if somebody cleared a 1/4 acre in the middle of the woods and planted corn followed by some other alternating crop solely for the purpose of the keeping the animals there. So that is different to me. Do I think a pig that grows to 400 lbs that is being fed from a corn feeder is "free range" or is the same as a pig who is only feeding off agricultural crops...nope, not quite in my book. But that is my opinion. Have I shot pigs out of stand in TX over a corn feeder? yep, I have. Was it fun? Yep it was. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I do not disagree with what you stated. the only deviation is that from experience, and this works for food plots as well as spin feeders, hogs have a serious problem with telling time. I have set with hunters until 10 or 11 at night, only to pull game cam pics and the hogs came in at 1:30 in the morning. This is one of the reasons why night vision/black light hunting has become popular. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Yes, I had read all of the previous posts. I've also read many of your previous posts. As with the Giant Buffalo thread, you seem to miss the point of most of my posts in that I agree with you. I'm tired of hearing hunters dissect other hunters methods of take. I would really like to see people appreciate that there are differences in hunting techniques based solely on regional traditions. What hunters in one region do, is no reason to belittle the techniques of another region, right up to the point in telling the other guy that the way he did it "really isn't hunting at all". Just like Mike above, he is trying to justify how a hog hunt near a farmers cornfield is different from hunting near a feeder. Everything he said about the placement of the cornfield vs the feeder could be interchanged with the other. It just doesn't matter. There are several "big name hunters" now with TV shows that from time to time show themselves working on the farm, running the tractors, planting the fields, etc. Does anyone really believe they don't plan certain grain harvests to coincide with deer season so that the deer will move into those areas at that specific opportune time? Then they will turn right around and poo poo the use of feeders. BULLSHIT! This hunter shot a big ole pig. I'm sure he had a great time. Good for him. I don't need to pick apart his hunt to make myself feel superior. Rather, I'm just happy to hear about another fellow enjoying the same activity that I enjoy. Hunting! | |||
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Maybe if we all quit trying so hard to read in to, and took the time to just read, we might not have the mis-communications that we, as a group do.  Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Todd, I am not trying to justify anything. I am explaining my opinion. I am not asking anybody to agree with it, accept it, or change their view. I am also not disparaging anybody's form of hunting. I am stating my opinion about what free range is for me and how I view how "natural" it is for an animal to reach a certain size based on being fed from a feeder. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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