It looked staged. Either way, you are correct in calling him a retard.

SilverFox.

Either way it's idiots like that who manage to shoot someone else instead of doing a Darwen on it and conveniently removing themselves form the gene pool

Dave.
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That's EXACTLY what I was thinking Dave, too bad it wasn't under his chin when it went off.

DGK

I believe there's one with the same fella and an autoloader shotgun. There'll probably be a series as I haven't see him with a rifle yet.

Yes, once again some prove that Darwin was right... hope he learn't a lesson there.

It only reinforces my opinion that 90% of the people in the world are just using up valuable resources.

This is just what the anti-gun nuts need to make hand gun owners look like retards.

This boy needs to be neutered so he will not produce any more of his kind.

That's bad, but this is worse, in my opinion:

Firearms Safety Lesson

Remember, he's the only one in the room professional enough to carry that Glock 40...

I have seen cops do dummer things. Witness that LASO shootout (between the cops only, bad guy had no gun) a couple weeks ago. It's amazing only one cop was hit by friendly fire.
I thought I should add, I have many LEO friends & my father is a retired cop, so I get a lot of stories.

In the LASO fiasco above, 10 officers, 120 rounds fired, 4 , FOUR !!! , hit the intended target !

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/negligence.mpg

Another clip of an officer missing a shot; this time it's a good thing. Amazing no one was hurt.

We've also seen that video in roll call training at work. Both are terrific examples of two things:

1) Never put your finger on the trigger until you're ready to destroy whatever the gun is pointed at.

2) ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.

It's frightening how often these rules are disregarded as being ridiculous.

As soon as the round went off in the first vid, his buddy starts laughing. I fail to see the humor in that situation before you even know where that round went.

I've seen this video a number of times, and IIRC, it's completley staged, and I think they were trying to illustrate a "what NOT to do" scenario for safe gun handling..

KEEP YOU FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure everyone on this forum knows these 4 rules BUT! I probably should have put all down just in case! You can never practice enough gun safety!

FIREARMS SAFETY RULES

1. ALL guns are ALWAYS loaded.

2. NEVER let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.

3. Keep your finger OFF the trigger until your sights are ON THE TARGET.

4.ALWAYS be sure of your target, what’s behind it and around it.

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Originally posted by 375hnh:
That's EXACTLY what I was thinking Dave, too bad it wasn't under his chin when it went off.

DGK

And part of your sigline is "deal fairly"? Dude, I think you've got it right that the guy's a clown, but I personally think hoping he would have blown his head off instead is a bit much!

I'm really sorry. I couldnt resist. I mean. Oh nevermind

When I was in the Army they told us there is no such thing as an ACCIDENTAL discharge. Only negligent discharges (unless you meant to pull the trigger). Webster's defines "accidental" as "Occuring unexpectedly, unintentionally or by chance."

In the case of firearms none of these apply. "Unexpectedly"? If their finger was on the trigger you can expect the gun to fire. "Unintentionally"? They may not have "intended" for the gun to fire but they didn't intentionally keep their respective fingers off the triggers. Therefore they are NEGLIGENT of not keeping their fingers off the triggers. "by chance"? Guns are in animate hunks of metal(or polymer plastics) and will do nothing without action from some outside force.

Webster's defines "negligent" as "1. The state or quality of being negligent. 2. Failure to exercise the degree of care considered resonable under the circumstances." Just for reference, negligent is defined as "Careless or casual". These very much apply in these and pretty much any "unintentional" discharge of a firearm.

The DEA agent said he will "probably never be allowed to show guns again". Dear God we can only hope! I sure don't want my boys learning gun safety from a "professional" who "accidentally"( ) shoots themselves in the leg while showing an "unloaded" gun to the class. I see video like this and watch the cop shows on TV and wonder if any of these people have ever heard the conceps of "line of fire" and/or "crossfire". It's trully a wonder more cops aren't "accidentally" shot by their fellow officers. I'm sure they (at least the ones in these videos) are good officers but I wouldn't want to serve with them. They should have teir badges taken away. They're obviously careless and carelessness gets people killed. It's totally unacceptable.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bloodnativ:
When I was in the Army they told us there is no such thing as an ACCIDENTAL discharge. Only negligent discharges (unless you meant to pull the trigger). Webster's defines "accidental" as "Occuring unexpectedly, unintentionally or by chance."

In the case of firearms none of these apply. "Unexpectedly"? If their finger was on the trigger you can expect the gun to fire. "Unintentionally"? They may not have "intended" for the gun to fire but they didn't intentionally keep their respective fingers off the triggers. Therefore they are NEGLIGENT of not keeping their fingers off the triggers. "by chance"? Guns are in animate hunks of metal(or polymer plastics) and will do nothing without action from some outside force.

Webster's defines "negligent" as "1. The state or quality of being negligent. 2. Failure to exercise the degree of care considered resonable under the circumstances." Just for reference, negligent is defined as "Careless or casual". These very much apply in these and pretty much any "unintentional" discharge of a firearm.

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While I agree that there are precious few instances of true ADs, I believe that a few do exist. A few years back I was hunkered down in a blind on a local river. A flock of birds came in and my buddy and I readied ourselves. My finger remained off the trigger and my safety was on. When they were in our faces I rose and mounted the shotty in one motion, and picked a bird. As is somewhat typical with me, a split second before I was to pull the trigger, with my bead on the target, I flicked off the safety and took a half step forward, leaning into the shot. Unbeknownst to me, there was a small hole/depression in the water right in front of me (we were in thigh deep water at the time), and when I took that half step forward, my foot found nothing to support it, and much like finding an unexpected stair (or lack of one) coming down a staircase in the dark, I stumbled forward. Just as I was about to hit the ice-cold water, I must have tightened my grip on my right hand in a subconscious response to entering the icewater. The 12 ga discharged harmlessly in the water front of us. No injuries other than to my pride, but I was troubled by the AD. I'm sure plenty of folks will still disagree, but in my book, that was an AD, not a NG.

Any others care to share any of what they consider to be ADs? Note: not interested in a pissing match, just sharing opinions.

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Originally posted by Kamo Gari:

While I agree that there are precious few instances of true ADs, I believe that a few do exist. A few years back I was hunkered down in a blind on a local river. A flock of birds came in and my buddy and I readied ourselves. My finger remained off the trigger and my safety was on. When they were in our faces I rose and mounted the shotty in one motion, and picked a bird. As is somewhat typical with me, a split second before I was to pull the trigger, with my bead on the target, I flicked off the safety and took a half step forward, leaning into the shot. Unbeknownst to me, there was a small hole/depression in the water right in front of me (we were in thigh deep water at the time), and when I took that half step forward, my foot found nothing to support it, and much like finding an unexpected stair (or lack of one) coming down a staircase in the dark, I stumbled forward. Just as I was about to hit the ice-cold water, I must have tightened my grip on my right hand in a subconscious response to entering the icewater. The 12 ga discharged harmlessly in the water front of us. No injuries other than to my pride, but I was troubled by the AD. I'm sure plenty of folks will still disagree, but in my book, that was an AD, not a NG.

Any others care to share any of what they consider to be ADs? Note: not interested in a pissing match, just sharing opinions.

Can't argue that. There are a few instances (such as the one you just described) where an AD is truely accidental. Fortunately I've never had one and hope I never do. That certainly is not meant to look down on anyone who has. I understand why they taught us the "No AD, Only NG" philosophy in the Army and I guess that's stuck and keeps me on a high state of awareness whenever I am handling firearms (not to say that anyone else isn't). We could sit here and second guess what happened to you (or anyone else) 'til the cows come home but that wouldn't be right or even fair. Hindsight's always 20/20. As long as we learn something from the misfortune of others then I think we'll all be ok. Thanks for sharing your story.

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Originally posted by Bloodnativ:
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Can't argue that. There are a few instances (such as the one you just described) where an AD is truely accidental. Fortunately I've never had one and hope I never do. That certainly is not meant to look down on anyone who has. I understand why they taught us the "No AD, Only NG" philosophy in the Army and I guess that's stuck and keeps me on a high state of awareness whenever I am handling firearms (not to say that anyone else isn't). We could sit here and second guess what happened to you (or anyone else) 'til the cows come home but that wouldn't be right or even fair. Hindsight's always 20/20. As long as we learn something from the misfortune of others then I think we'll all be ok. Thanks for sharing your story.

Sure, and while I do understand those who feel that any unintentional discharge (no resident wise-arses pouncing on the 'unintentional discharge' as it relates to the bedroom?!? You guys are slipping! ) is synonymous with a negligent one, I'm a bit leery of absolutes, and thought I'd try to illustrate with a personal anecdote that there are in shooting, as in most things, some instances that just don't really fit into the standard mold or definition.

Thanks.