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Im looking for a light gun to use for Pa whitetail for when im not on stand and just walkin around the woods. It will also be used for a boy just starting out. I own a Rem.700 ss 7mm mag and that is to heavy for him and the recoil is a little much. It is also heavy for carring around. I deffinatly want a Remington Mt. rifle, but i dont no which caliber yet. i was thinkin either the 260, or the 7mm-08. Any comments on these caliber for my situaton would be greatly appreciated. thanx | ||
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The Mtn Rifle is a lightweight gun, and real nice for what you describe. But the recoil from even a 7mm-08 might be too much for a kid. Why start a flinch? The .260 is good cartridge and recoils a bit less. If you handload it doesnt much matter, as you could load a 130 grain Speer bullet in the 7mm-08 to 2800 fps and have a nice whitetail round. Or in the .260 a 120 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip bullet to the same speed for even less recoil and still be very effective to 250 yards. | |||
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| <Don Martin29> |
While I have used Rem 700 series for a long time for target and varmint and still do it's not my favorite as a game rifle. Somehow that extractor bothers me and the lack of a positive bolt stop does also. The new light rifles are neat. I don't use them as I can carry a 8 lb rifle with no problem but I understand. The Ruger Ultra Lights's are neat. If you are a handloader then get the .308 Win. You can load some 125 gr bullets for the deer hunting with a less than max load. Then the .308 will stay in the family. The .260 rem, and 708 rem are passing fancy. They will be gone soon. Where are the .25 Remingtons, 6.5 Rem Mags, .250 Savages etc? Sure they go bang but they are borderline marketing cartridges. | ||
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| <Gary Rihn> |
redneck- A 260 Rem (or a 243 for a recoil sensitive shooter) in a M700 Mountain Rifle or a Model 7 would be just the ticket for those PA whitetails. I shoot a 7mm-08 in a lightweight M700, recoil is actually quite mild, but if there's any chance of a flinch, I'd go with the 260 or the 243. | ||
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I really like the 7 -08 it is light has little kick. Basicaly the most effiiant cartrige (308 win) with the most effiant bullets.284. Happy Hunting | |||
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Don Martin29 Have you talked to your gunsmith or have you seen a sako extractor on a rem 700. I had my gunsmith put one on my rem 700 and it is one heck of alot better. Happy Hunting | |||
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The Remington M7 Youth in either .260 Rem or 7-08 would be an out of the box solution for your young shooter. It would work for you too as it is usually easy to adjust to a shorter stock, especially if you are wearing warm clothing. They carry all day, and are enough medecine for any whitetail...jim dodd ------------------ [This message has been edited by HunterJim (edited 12-27-2001).] | |||
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| <DavidP> |
Can't comment on the 7mm-08 but my brother in laws Rem Model 7 in 260 kicks pretty darn hard for a smaller caliber, especially in the small rifle style. Nice to carry though. ------------------ | ||
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| <DavidP> |
Why not try a 243? It's a great round for the Mountain rifle. I've used mine on a large assortment of medium size game animals and love it. Great to handle it tight quarters. You must use QUALITY bullets in it though. Also keep shots under 200 yards and you'd have a great combo. ------------------ | ||
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| <WyomingSwede> |
Break away from the conventional bolts here for a moment... think about a Savage 99 in .300 savage, .308, 30-30, or .243. You can pick up a used one at a reasonable price...check the auctions or your local gunshop. Its a nice light rifle and your son should be able to handle it. Just my $.02 ------------------ | ||
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| <X-Ring> |
Well there is alot of good advise in the posts above. Here is my 2 cents worth. I would look into the Ruger M77 mark2 compact rifle it is offered in several different cal. I would go with the 308 win. and load it down for your youngster till they can handle it. Then you can load it with 165-180 gr. bullets and bring that youngster out here and kill an elk with it. I have used my 308 REM 788 for deer and elk for years with out complaint. X-Ring AKA Scooter ------------------ If your living like there is no HELL, you better be right! | ||
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| <1LoneWolf> |
The 260 or the 7-08 will harvest any PA deer you run into. Recoil is mild. The mountain rifles light weight. I'd probably opt for the 7-08. Large selection of bullets, you won't need more rifle ever, unless you're looking for the biggest NA beasties. 139 Grain HDY @ 2800 fps, that's tough to beat for what you are looking for. If I was looking for less recoil, I probably wouldn't go to the 260, the differene is there, but marginal. I think as he trains himself to shoot he can learn to handle the 7-08 recoil, as easily as the 260. The 257 Roberts would be excellent in that department, dropping below the level of 7-08 recoil a good bit (100 grainer @ 3000 fps plus). Problem is, finding it in the rifle you want. [This message has been edited by 1LoneWolf (edited 12-29-2001).] | ||
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| <leo> |
This may sound silly but my nephew and I are seriously thinking of rechambering and reboring his 9 year old son's .223 Ruger MKII to 7mm TCU(.223 case blown out and necked to 7mm). They hunt in such thick brush that a bigger blood trail would really help over what the .223 usually produces. Not that it doesn't kill great, if a deer moves much out of his tracks you need ample blood. My nephew wants to keep it in a small not so loud cartridge....7mm TCU. There you go, just get him a T/C Contender carbine(they're extremely light and handy) with 21" barrel chambered to the 7mm TCU. It'll drive a 140 grain bullet to between 2,250 and 2,365 ft/sec like mind does; a solid 200 plus yard cartridge. If you chamber a T/C to a cartridge very much bigger it tends to kick alot. | ||
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I bought my wife a Remington Model 6 (?) in 308. Handled sweet, wide variety of factory loads, great to reload for, in her hands anything downrange had better be under cover or we were filling her tag. It was a long time ago, not sure of the model number. It was short action, carbine. OK, now out on the limb. 7x57 would work good to. Way out on the limb, 6mm Rem I owned was sweet also. | |||
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| <ovis> |
Just bought a Model 7 Reminton in .260 and I guess this is my latest "passing Fancy." Solid piece! | ||
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A very basic law of physics says that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction (recoil). In other words recoil does not depend on calibre. It depends on: - bullet weight, There is a lot of argument about things like "felt recoil" etc etc, but the above factors are the bottom line. For instance a 150 grain bullet moving at 2800 fps is going to produce essentially the same rearward thrust no matter whether it comes from a .270 or a .308. A lighter rifle will result in easier carrying but harder felt recoil, the heavier rifle will be more tiring to carry but not kick as hard. I can't remember the "why" but a shorter barrel also increases felt recoil. This is a mistake a lot of guys make when recoil shopping. They buy a small bore to help the shoulder, a small frame and thin barrel to ease the carry, then pump up the bullet weight and velocity to increase the killing power. Some poor kid ends up with 150 grains of 2800 fps on a five pound rifle with a 20" bbl, and Dad figures the poor kid is wimping out when the kid flinches. I remember an old .30-.30 Mod 94 Winchester that out kicked my Rem. 700 '06. My advice is two fold: 1.) Recoil is never felt on critters, but always at the range. Use a shoulder pad at the range, where the shooting will be less comfortable and continuous. 2.) Within reason go for more rifle weight and slower bullets. Everybody has to learn to pack his own rifle anyway, and in the meantime you have a built in excuse to teach the sling. The Brits killed anything and everything for years with the .303 at around 2500 fps. Slowing it down until he really know how to shoot will decrease recoil, muzzle jump and flinching, and probably keep the shots to within reasonable range unless he has some real long set-up time. All of which are good habits. My $0.02 worth. | |||
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| <Big Stick> |
The Mountain Rifle in 243 and stoked with the 85grXLC would be a great choice. It's dynamite on Deer,great for the recoil shy and is a useful Varminting rifle in the off season. The 243,260,7-08 debate,is a good one to be concerned with,as there aren't flies on any of them. I like them all. A 243 coupled with great bullets,is damn difficult to beat,when weighing versatility/effectiveness compared to recoil dealt. It's easy to shoot well,a ball to practice with and is a great choice for novice or Pro. That being said,my favorite chambering in a light rifle,is the 25-284. She sizzles.............. | ||
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Recoil is determined mostly by the pressure level of the cartridge fired. The bullet that is accellerated from a standstill to the muzzle within a closed system generates very little momentum as is easily demonstrated by someone with enough body armour taking a 308 point blank in the chest, standing on one leg. A rifle kicks because the gas venting forwards when the bullet unplugs from the muzzle, turns it into a rocket that tries to fly backwards. That is why muzzle brakes work by deflecting gas sideways and why shorter barrels increase felt recoil with their lighter weight and higher pressure at the muzzle when the bullet unplugs from the bore. Example: Which would kick more? A 300 Weatherby launching a 180 gr bullet at 3300 fps or a 45-70 with a handload 400 gr bullet at 1500 fps? ------------------ | |||
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I have read through and agree somewhat but can tell you my experience. I bought a carbine length .308 for my wife and she shot it but didn't enjoy shooting. Then one day she shot my .257 Roberts, It now has a shorter stock and she loves it. It works great for coyotes and deer and recoil is light. Mine has a 22" barrel so muzzle blast is farther away from the shooter and it still doesn't weigh all that much! Bullets of 100 gr @ 3000 fps work great on deer and if later you want heavier you can go to 120's and even have it Ackley Improved. IMO a Roberts performs better than a .243 and as good as a .260, I'm sure it has less recoil than a 7-08. When this young man graduates from a smaller rifle he can get a bigger one, after all, who here has one rifle for everything? Collecting a mess of rifles while searching for one thats perfect is fun!! | |||
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A good starter rifle would be a downloaded CZ 550, with a 25 inch barrel, in 375. He'd get stronger, because he would have to lug it around. You could down load it with 220 grain slugs, at 1500 fps, and have no recoil, and kill pretty much any deer you ever saw. When he gets bigger, load it up. Remember, the most important thing about killing is, caliber, caliber, and caliber... gs | |||
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| <DuaneinND> |
Sounds like you need a 257DGR check it out at www.duanesguns.com it will fit the bill perfectly for your son, even dad will enjoy shooting it. | ||
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| <MontanaMarine> |
quote: Do you think caliber is more important than bullet placement? I have to disagree with your opinion there. Do you think a poorly placed shot with a 375 is better than a well placed shot with a 30-30?? The understanding of bullet placement is how many succeed on deer with rounds like .357Mag, .223, .222, 22Hornet. Caliber is one of the least important factors in game taking ability. MM | ||
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