My personal dislikes: the 243 (don't like shooting it, and outcompeted my favorite 250 Sav.), the '06 (boring, boring, boring, yawn), the 338W(outcompeted my pet Whelen....).
I see no need for any of the Ultra's, but like the Shorties. Especially the 270 WSM. Which is, really, a ridiculous cartridge.
Illogical, all of it, of course, but that was the question. Dutch.
Posts: 4564 | Location: Idaho Falls, ID, USA | Registered: 21 September 2000
Since this is an open rant, let me begin with this: Anybody who thinks that the .007 inch difference in diameter between .277 caliber bullets and .284 caliber bullets translates into significantly different terminal killing qualities has been freebasing kitty litter. GIVE ME A BREAK. There is NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE between the performance of a 7MM and a .270 caliber bullet, given similar bullet construction and velocity. NONE. I have a 7MM Mag and a .270 Win, and I have used them interchangeably for more than a decade with no perceptible difference in terminal performance.
The problem with both of these calibers is the mentality of many users who think they are lazer guns, and use them to take game that is too large, too far away, or they try to kill from any presentation angle.
The calibers I hate: Anything Weatherby, any sub-.375 caliber cartridge with a MV of less than 2500 FPS using its ideal (in my opinion) bullet weight, and anything larger than .25 caliber with a MV of greater than 3300 FPS using its ideal (in my opinion) bullet weight.
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I don't hate any round really but my least favorite is a .300 win. I've seen so many deer shot with this round that were never recovered it makes me sick. Most people hunt with one because they think they are going to need to shoot something at a long range when the truth is they couldn't hit their ass in a 1000 grabs anyway. then they get the typical 75 yard shot and the bullet zips through and the animal runs off. Not to menton most people flinch like a dog pooping razor blades when they shoot one so past 75 yards the only thing safe is the deer. I guess i have a problem with some of the people more than the caliber but that's as close as I can get to one that I hate.
Since this is an open rant, let me begin with this: Anybody who thinks that the .007 inch difference in diameter between .277 caliber bullets and .284 caliber bullets translates into significantly different terminal killing qualities has been freebasing kitty litter. GIVE ME A BREAK. There is NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE between the performance of a 7MM and a .270 caliber bullet, given similar bullet construction and velocity. NONE. I have a 7MM Mag and a .270 Win, and I have used them interchangeably for more than a decade with no perceptible difference in terminal performance.
I think we were referring to the fact that the 270 has a .277 bullet which isn't used in any other cartridge. The 280 uses a .284 which is used in many other cartridges such as the 7mm-08 and the 7mm rem mag. Why use a 270 when their aren't as many different grain .277 bullets when you can get a 280 with many, many diffent grain bullets that can also be used in different cartidges?
I wouldn't say that I hate every weatherby cartridge. I think the only one that is worth a shit is the 257 weatherby. I think it is awesome baby. It hits as hard as a 270 and shoots flatter. I only think of this as a whitetail cartridge, but i know it has been used unwisely for elk. all the other weatherby's suck ass.
As to the 243 I have only taken one head with it and that was a Red Stag on the moors. I had taken a 300 WM and decided I was over gunned and borrowed my sons 243. One clean shot and all was done he took two steps and piled up. I think the reason the 243 gets a bad rap is because it is used mre by new inexperienced hunters as it has little recoil, but requires excellent shot placement. When one thinks about it shot placement is what it is all about. OK I don't like the snob Weatherbys and that wonderful old round the 270. I was brought up on the 30-06 by my Dad. Now I just love my .338 winnie mag. Loaded up or down it will do the job, makes cleaning whistle pigs a breeze, eh.
Posts: 5338 | Location: Bedford, Pa. USA | Registered: 23 February 2002
I've never liked the 243, though it's probably as good a coyote round as anything. Still, I have one in a Win 70 SA which will eventually become a "243 Improved"... i.e., a 260 Rem!
I have an irrational hate for the 7mm mag.Mainly because so many ballistically naive people seem to use it.The type that sight it in "close" at 100 yds and tell you that their new 7 em em has no drop out to 600 yds "just aim right on".Anyways,i wouldn't be caught dead with one,even though i know it's a fine cartridge.
223 and 308 are among the most lathargic wretched cases out there. any of the savage garbage isnt any better. i hate people that claim the 308 as an elk cartridge. it is not nor will it ever be. ah i feel better now!
I can't understand "hating" a brass case with powder,primer and a bullet stuck into it.What's to hate? I "like" them all,whatever headstamp is on it.I think it's quite juvenile to "hate" a particular cartridge for whatever reason. I have found a couple instances where people "hated" a particular cartridge only to uncover that thier anymosity was based on other factors,such as a person they didn't like, who used that cartridge and a particularily troublesome rifle that was chambered for a particular cartridge.No fault of the cartridge.People who hate a particular cartridge need to get thier hobby in perspective.Raising an inanimate object such as a cartridge,a brand/model of rifle or a brand of chainsaw or pickup truck to the "hate" level should have a serious look in the mirror.
Anyone who would slam the Win. Mod. 94 30-30 is a pinko commie pig, thats the most unamerican thing I ever heard, and John Wayne would roll over in his grave, Roy and Gene will haunt you..
Every cowboy kid had one, every yankee kid in Maine and the Northern states got one for Christmas, all the midwesteners children grew up with one, the hillbillys and southern bells liked'em. It was your comming to adulthood, your passage from childhood to manhood, it was and excepted way of life. Only the bankers had 300 Savages.
All us oldies cut our teeth on the thutty-thutty and a few of us still use'em to good effect..Some things should be kept sacred and thats one of them..
There is a dark area of my anatomy that those who frown on this sacred shrine can kiss,its name is ole spot..
Can't say I hate any of them. There are plenty I like better than others though. I used to like BIG SLOW BOOMERS! Then it was BIG FAST BOOMERS! Now in my old age I like the 6.5 to .280 faster better range. That's it for me.
------------------ From my cold, dead hands! Thanks Chuck!
9mm, 357. Way too much noise for a wimpy little bullet. Pain in the arse to reload, and, it dominates the market, so most guns are first offered for it, and then for the REAL calibers.
30 carbine would be about the same, but noiser.
If I have to put up with that much noise, I want bullet weight and size to justify it.
gs
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Posts: 1805 | Location: American Athens, Greece | Registered: 24 November 2001
Been laughing to hard to type! I have some disdain for some cartridges but this has me rolling. The .270 Win for Elk, the .243 Win for anything with hooves, What's the deal with Remington 700's? You get to replace the trigger before you go anywhere with it? I find some of the best rounds have been drowned by hype. Like the .257 Roberts, 7x57, .280 Imp, 338-06 Imp. I get a kick out of people who are so adamant about a particular rounds superiority when there's little difference. I guess I should laugh at Me!
Ray... thats some funny stuff. Like most reasonable americans I also own a 30-30. Its about the only cartridge ill shoot in a lever. What realy brought my attention to the 30-30 however, was when I had aquired a martini in 30-30. This combination had some immedate advantages (like shooting varmits) not only is this gun extreamly accurate and can use 125 grain nosler BT's, but also very econimical to shoot. This is a true 200 yard varmiter. Its interesting... if you look at some of the old winchester adds, the 30-30 was as much of gimmick back then as the recent pile of BS ultrawhateversupermagnumcartridgesoftheweek are today. take care
Posts: 2045 | Location: West most midwestern town. | Registered: 13 June 2001
The 223... especially as a military round. as a varmint round, the 22-250 is still better. The 20 guage, it is the weak-man's 12 guage. Dont much care for the Savage calibers, only good thing to come from them was the 22-250; which decended from the 250 Savage case.
What is with all you guys and your dislike of the .270? I've used one for years, no complaints. Then to suggest a 7mm in its place as a "bigger" or more powerful alternative. Like Wapi-T said, we're talking about .007 of an inch here. Not enough to make a difference. As for variety, the .270 Win is extremely popular, if I recall correctly, more so than any 7mm on the list. As such it has an incredible variety of bullets despite being one of only 3 commercial cartridges in its caliber to obtain any success. That is why from Federal, Remington, and Winchester, there are 29 loads available for the .270 Win in weights from 100 to 150 grains and only 12 available for the .280 in weights from 140 to 165 grains. For the handloaded bullets can be found from I beleive as low as 90 to up to 180 grains for use on everything from varmints to moose, and yes it has the power for moose if you use it right. And the .270s popularity means these bullets will continue to be available. You know that if a rifle manufacturer wants their rifle to succeed they usually intoduce it as a .270 and an 06... this is for a reason. There is not much you can't do with them, even if some cartridges allow you to do some things better.
As for cartridges I have, basically only a couple: .280 Rem... "fixed" a "problem" that never existed .223 as a military round
That's it Jan, you have stepped on some toes. You can bad mouth the 30.30, 30.06, .308, 8mm, the .223 and .243, but keep your feet off the 6.5x55. SO far in life, I have killed deer with most of these rounds and plan on using the 6.5 as a backup to my .54 front stuffer when I go bear hunting in 3 weeks. What do I hate.... according to my wife...NONE, what would I like to own? One of each, then start over. Guns are like trucks, Ford is first, chevy 2nd and there are no 3rdssssss. Ye-Ha and away we go.....
.35 remington - I never have shot one, but I guy I knew was a poor shot, game hog piece of garbage, and now I want nothing to do with that caliber- glad there's lots of others out there
Posts: 168 | Location: Lyndonville, NY USA, en route to Central Square | Registered: 24 July 2000
Well, since this is openly a personality driven thing...
I really don't HATE any cartridges, but I've never met a 270 or 30-06 that I have any use for. Mainly I think it's because they're so popular and plentiful, and I like "oddball" stuff.
On the other hand, I'm very intrigued by the 280 (go figure, I know it makes no sense) even though I don't own one; I "LOVE" the 375 H&H, though I can't seem to find a rifle that fits me right; and I've GOTTA have a 300 WSM...
I somewhat dislike the 243 win. I bought one to use on sitka blacktails awhile back. It Killed deer OK if you shot them in the right spot. But I was foolish to choose it. I do no varmint shooting, it was to be a deer rifle only. To buy a caliber that is just adequate is not wise. I think if I had purchased something in 6.5mm or larger I would still be shooting deer with it. I now use the very boring 30-06. which is not magic, just very average and not too slow, not too fast, just right for me, it will do everything a .243 will do and much much more.
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