I just tried out Scirocco 150 gr in my 7mmRemMag. I shot 1" groups all day long. I would like to hear some of your opinions on this bullet for Elk sized game. I have heard that some have been disappointed, and feel that it is not "tough" enough? What do you think, any experiences out there? Wolfgar

I have posted these results before, but I have seen what a 150 gr scirocco does when it hits the shoulder of a moose when fired from a 280, not much. The bullet failed to penetrate the rib cage and an extra shot was required to finish the animal.

It retained alot of its weight, but so what.

Chuck

These are from l to r, 160 gr. failsafe, 140 gr. partition, 200 gr. Accubond (30 caliber), 150 gr. scirocco, all fired through milk jugs of water. The last bullet is a 140 gr. failsafe taken out of a big 6x6 elk. The scirocco completely turned itself inside out, and is the only one of the bunch I would NOT recommend for Elk (It barely penetrated 3 milkjugs of water).

If you insist on using the Scirocco on Elk, make dam sure of your shot, because you can't count on it to penetrate alot of bone. Although I have not tested it, you might also consider the 160 gr. accubond.

[ 08-11-2003, 02:40: Message edited by: OldFart ]

Wow! that's pretty disappointing. And they shot so damm good from my rifle. Nosler Partition groups are twice as big. I would like to try the Accubonds, since I heard that they are as tough as the Partitions, but I don't handload and they are not available yet. Soon I hope. So what the hell are the Scirocco's good for? I guess just deer sized game and maybe Black Bear. Any other comments?

Wolfgar,
FWIW, I am going on my first elk hunt in October. For this trip I have been trying many different bullets, loads etc. I have settled on the 175 gr Nosler partition, I have it up to 3050 fps and less than 1 inch 3 shot groups at 100 yards in my 7mm STW. At 200 yards, I shot a 1.3" group so I am very happy with that. I tried the accubonds, but I could not get that accuracy, they were about 1.2 at 100 and a little over 2 at 200.

Wolfgar, I'd have to go along with OldFart, the FailSafe is a much better alternative on elk. If you don't handload a good alternative would be the Remington Safari with Swift A-Frames. As much as I like FailSafes, the A-Frame will give you the most consistent expansion at a large range of distances and speed and will retain it's weight much better than Partitions. That's my two bits.

I,ve mentioned in other threads about using the Scirocco and comparing it to other bullets.. Have loaded my 7stw with Imr-7828-80.5 grs. Have had 4 elk, got good first shots on all with the stw. 3 in the neck, one hit just below the eyes, and when it hit it sounded like another rifle went off. Blew the whole upper jaw clean right off. All there was at eye level was half eye ball sockets. All shot were 300+ yrd. Ive seen a game warden drop a 4 point bull 266yds, metered with bushnell range finder with factory loaded Remington scirocco's in 7 mag go through both front shoulders. It is extremely an accurate bullet expecially in the wind., But like I mentioned when the Interbonds came out and they shot like they did in my 300 wby, I swapped them fore the IB's for 21.95 a box instead of $ 46-47.00 a box the Sciroccos cost and got 700-165gr for 300wby and 700 139gr bullets for the stw. I really buy in bulk and could not see having that 9 boxes of sciroccos when I had a chance to get twice as much for the same price.

[ 08-11-2003, 07:51: Message edited by: 4bambam ]

let me get this straight, you shot an elk in the head at 300+ yards?? hmm.....

I personally prefer the failsafes, but I'm not sure what is available in a factory load. The bullet taken from the Elk lost about 1 grain of weight, and they shoot quite well in the rifles that I have tried them in. I wouldn't hesitate to use the partitions and accubonds, and I hope to try the interbonds next.
I believe the Sicrocco has been made obsolete by the accubond and probably the interbond.

Wolfgar, consider this simple mathematical exercise.

You say that Sciroccos average 1" groups from your rifle. I assume that's at 100 yards, so let's call it 1 MOA.

You then say that Partitions double that. So now you have a bullet with a sterling killing reputation that averages 8" groups at 400 yards.

An 8" group means that all your shots are within a 4" radius from the point of aim, assuming you measure the groups using the extreme spread method.

Put your finger on the center of an elk's vitals and measure 4" in every direction. Are you still in the vitals? If yes, figure out the wind drift for your load and make the necessary corrections to stay on target.