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This appeared on another site. I cannot vouch for its accuracy. Bill Quimby New Mexico Hunting Guide, Client Wounded in Border Ambush By Laura Bryant EL PASO, TEX (Jan. 8, 2017) -- While guiding an aoudad hunt in Presidio county Texas, a New Mexico hunting guide was shot in the abdomen and seriously wounded Friday night after what appears to have been an attempt to kidnap his clients on the Mexico border. The guide remains in critical condition in a Texas Hospital. His client was also shot in the arm and is expected to recover. Multiple assailants fired upon an RV parked near a hunting lodge where the party were staying for the hunt. The contracted hunter and his wife were asleep in the in the RV when the attack began. Walker Daugherty 26 of Chloride NM was wounded while attempting to stop the assailants from taking the RV with his clients inside. He was assisted by another guide Michael Bryant; the men were staying inside the lodge with their wives. Per a family source, everyone was in bed preparing for an early hunt, the guides and cooks inside the house and the clients in the rental RV parked nearby. Walker heard voices outside and went to see what the noises were, he witnessed men with guns attempting to take the RV, He then ran back inside to get help. Walker and Michael armed themselves to defend and protect the client and to attempt to deter the assailants while the hunter attempted to escape in the RV which was being shot at repeatedly. The vehicle is riddled with bullet holes from the attack and suffered other structural damage. The attack lasted long enough for Walker to run back to the house and get more ammunition, when he was close to the door his sister, saw him get shot and was able to drag him inside the house and away from the gunfire. The women in the lodge were able to get a cell signal and call 911. The family has been earning a living guiding and outfitting out of the remote ranch for years. The business had experienced several thefts and had been working with the US Border Patrol to apprehend illegal aliens in the area in the past month. The theft events and the attack occurred in the United States. The attack has the family concerned that the attack was not just an attempt to rob the property. They believe the assailants intended to kill all the party. The attackers were strategically placed around the lodge and the men were fired upon from different areas. The clients wife, a nurse was able to help keep Walker from bleeding to death while they waited several hours for a medivac helicopter to take him to El Paso. It took local law enforcement over an hour to get to the remote scene. The family says the men and their wives were grilled about the veracity of their account by Law Enforcement and the assailants got away and likely returned to Mexico. Kidnapping along with drug and human trafficking, has become common along the Mexico border especially if there are reasons to believe that an intended victim is a person of means. The family however are self-employed outfitters earning a living as guides although the clients were likely the intended targets. Friends have set up a go fund me account to assist with medical expenses and the long recovery process that Walker is expected to endure. He is uninsured. | ||
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This has been confirmed on multiple (reliable) sources. There is indeed a go fund me campaign taking place. Here is the link... https://www.gofundme.com/help-for-walker-daugherty People sleep peaceably in their beds at night because rough men stand at the ready to do violence on their behalf | |||
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I take it the clients were not armed in the RV? | |||
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People don't think this stuff is real because the media and our outgoing POTUS soft pedal what is really happening. We hunt anywhere from 30-60 miles from border, versus on the border like these individuals, and we always keep security top of mind. We have been told by the Border Patrol, DPS, Game Wardens, and Texas Rangers not to hesitate to use deadly force to protect ourselves. "Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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The faster the wall goes up the better off things will be.Have Israel Engineers design it.They know how to keep intruders out. | |||
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http://weartv.com/news/local/p...n-texas-hunting-trip Pensacola doctor attacked on Texas hunting trip by Jasmine Anderson Monday, January 9th 2017 PRESIDIO COUNTY, Texas (WEAR) — A Pensacola doctor is recovering after he and another person were attacked while on a hunting trip in Texas. The incident occurred while Edwin Roberts and several others were at the Circle Dug Ranch, which is 10 miles North West of Candelaria, Texas on Friday around 9:30 p.m. Chief Deputy Joel Nunez said he responded to a call “of shots fired, multiple shooters and two individuals severely injured”. Edwin Roberts, a chiropractor in Pensacola, was shot once in the arm according to his family. Reports indicate Walker Daughtry was in the abdomen. Channel 3 News spoke to Presidio County Sheriff Danny Dominquez. He would not elaborate on how the shooting happened or release any details on the case since it is still under investigation. In a news release, Sheriff Dominquez did mention the attack was allegedly not linked to “cross border violence”. Presidio Sheriff’s Department, the Texas Rangers and the Texas Department of Public Safety are investigating. The U.S. Border Patrol also responded to the scene. Roberts, 54, was rushed to El Paso University Medical Center. He’s has undergone a second surgery. Walker, 26, was flown via helicopter to El Paso for a gunshot to the abdomen. According to a Go Fund Me account for Walker Daugherty, it states "they were involved in a shootout with some illegals, when the illegals tried to steal Walker's .. RV with them still inside" Ashely Boggs, Daugherty's girlfriend said. The Circle Dug Ranch sits on 20,000 acres and is located in a mountainous area in Presidio County, Texas. Edwin Roberts is a longtime business owner of Pensacola. He owns A Chiropractic Tradition, which is located on Mobile Highway. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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This is serious business in south Texas. We used to hunt turkeys down there. On the last trip, we had a group of Mexicans carrying backpacks walk up on us in the blind. When we observed them attempting to walk in each others footprints, I was thinking there is no good explanation for this. They ran like hell when they saw us. Thank goodness. It was unnerving as hell. | |||
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Let's just say you or your family owns 50.000 acres of cattle/sheep range with its Southern boundary being the Rio Grande which is the main source of water for your cattle and sheep. What impact do you suppose a wall would have on their watering? xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Sheriff Dominquez says the case is NOT linked to cross-border violence? Fucking seriously? Then what, pray tell is it related to? Cross-border drug dealing? Cross-border kidnapping rings? And the officials questioned the veracity of the attacks? Someone on the take in Presidio? On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
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I live way too close to it, and hear lots of stories every year about crap like this. I can tell you for absolute certain though, that the closer you get to the border the more vicious the Mexicans (or Central Americans nowadays) are, and the more corrupt our own people are (Border Patrol, gov't workers, etc). Everybody is on the take. It's an easy fix, but we are too pussified to do it. | |||
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What a joke! I guess it was just some Texans looking for some fun. Like you said, Russell, something stinks in the sherif"s dept..... Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Have no idea what impact it would have on the cattle watering because we don't know what the "wall" will be and exactly where it will be situated with respect to the river. But wherever and whatever the wall is the cattle rancher will need to adapt and evolve or risk going out of business. Just like the 1000s of other businesses in dozens of other industries that have had to adapt because of government intervention, regulation, action/inaction, or eminent domain. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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My opinion is that anyone who actually believes there is going to be a real wall from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico more or less mirroring the border is dumber than a bag of rocks and is even dumber than that if they think Mexico is going to pay for it. Do you actually believe that ED should be used when the whole problem could easily be solved with simple technology? Unlike most of your "1000s of other businesses in dozens of other industries that have had to adapt because of government intervention, regulation, action/inaction, or eminent domain" this would not affect an industry, nor would the affected individuals be able to raise their prices to offset the costs. ' xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Usually Texas Sheriffs are not prone to stating something with no basis. I'll withhold judgment until more facts are in. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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A business raising cattle is not part of the cattle industry? Do I reference or imply every business in an industry being affected in the same way? Have all other businesses that have been affected by government action etc. been able to pass on their costs? Who said ED should be used? As always, it is good to see there is a constant in the universe. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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What solution do you propose then? What is this simple technology you speak of? | |||
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Simple, make every social security card with computer strip with vial info. Employers are required to check card with national data base. If they don't check, minimum one year in prison. Make all kids in school show proof citizenship. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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You obviously don't know shit about the cattle industry. You're the one who mentioned ED. Try to remember. There is a constant in the universe. Stupidity. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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GG, With respect to eminent domain, I don't need to remember because it is written above. If one reviews the text, eminent domain is an item in the series identifying types of government interventions that have impacted industries. There is nothing in the sentence in my post that indicates that any of the identified types of government interventions should or are being used in this case. It is a listing of types of government interventions on industries. In other words the mere presence of eminent domain in the text; is not equal to stating eminent domain should, is, or will be used. All businesses are part of an industry. An industry is the collection of its participants. My post professes no opinions regarding the cattle industry. However, that being said, I do possess a modicum of knowledge regarding the cattle industry but readily admit I have never studied cow shit. With respect to the constant of stupidity in the universe, I would never question your experience or expertise on the subject. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I've been hunting the Chanati MTS near Shafter, not far from Presidio, for many years. The really sad part of that scene is that the Border Patrol does more damage on the ranch than the illegals crossing it with their drugs ect.. I've had a few encounters with the illegals, while hunting alone or with my son, but never any problems. | |||
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I appreciate that. Reading posts such as yours on the cattle industry, of which you have so little knowledge, have greatly expanded both my experiences and expertise. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Love the idea, and approve of it, but what is this going to do to alleviate violence at the border? | |||
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I'm with JGRaider, nice idea, but it would have had no effect on this incident whatsoever, or the other kidnappings or drug dealings across the border. Gato's idea is good for employment and the like, but does dick for anything else, especially the drug or human trafficking. Larry "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading" -- Thomas Jefferson | |||
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None if done right. | |||
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While I think GG's idea of the "smart" SS card has merit, I think it would be one step closer to implanting a computer chip in a new borne's head so the gov'ment could track and locate him for the rest of his life. How much shit has been laid on us under the guise of "we're doing it for the chirruns"? I know this is kinda hijacking the thread but that thought comes to mind. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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Own a cellphone? Already done. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Drive a Chevy? The good folks at Onstar know where you are, how fast you're going, and can listen to the conversations going on inside your vehicle. Besides, ain't nobody going to build a wall. Did anyone over the age of six actually believe that campaign bullshit? | |||
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The same people over six who actually believe Trump will "Make America Great Again" I assume. | |||
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I am willing to bet $500 right now that Trump will never get a wall built from CA to the Gulf AND MAKE MEXICO PAY FOR IT. Any takers? Are any of you really gullible enough to believe campaign promises? Surely not..... Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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No more wall or fence has been added since the election but Mexico is already paying for it. And to those who say there are parts of the border where you cannot build a decent wall or fence I say "so what". The wall doesn't have to follow the exact line of the border all the way along. There are already huge areas where very effective border fence systems are built significantly north of the actual border line. . | |||
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Fence could be as simple as drones with small laser/heat designated Anti Personnel rockets. IT IS A BORDER after all. ENFORCE it as one. I fear too many depend on the porous border to get the drugs and cheap labor into the US. Don't limit your challenges . . . Challenge your limits | |||
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It appears there's some doubt on what REALLY happened here. http://www.cbs7.com/content/ne...lence-410175185.html Tony Mandile - Author "How To Hunt Coues Deer" | |||
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Originally posted by Stonecreek: Besides, ain't nobody going to build a wall. Did anyone over the age of six actually believe that campaign bullshit? That is the BEST quote I've seen in a long time! And it resonates perfectly with my thinking on the matter. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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I can create a wall for about 250K that would be impenetrable. A roving number of say 30 border patrol agents armed with Barrett 50 BMG's and a purchase of 5000 rounds of ammo. Shoot every freaking illegal crossing the border. Believe me, after the initial 5k of ammo is used up, there won't be many more willing to cross that border. Extreme times demand extreme measures. Besides, that wall will be built and Mexico is ALREADY paying...look at how many companies decided to NOT build factories there....and that will, over time sink Mexico. The Peso is already plummeting. Soon they will be starving like the North Koreans and half of Central/South America. | |||
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Even if Mexico and America put the money together jointly and agreed to build a wall, it could not be done. Anyone that believes it could has never been down in that region and seen what it looks like. I did a DIY/by myself, Coues hunt north of Nogales Arizona in 2011, and everyone I questioned gathering information advised me up front to carry a handgun. Worrying about Drug Runners and border bandits took a lot of the fun out of the whole exercise. Beautiful country, but until or unless a person has actually been there and seen it, and the same applies and maybe even more so for the Rio Grande in the Big Bend area it is impossible to understand the ruggedness of the terrain and the impossibility of building a fence or wall. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Yeah, tell that to China and the Mongol hordes. I've seen that country and I disagree. If we choose to build a wall it can be done, for Christ's sake we've put men on the moon and rovers to mars and dammed the biggest rivers on the planet I think a wall is definitely possible "if" that is the chosen route. By the way I really doubt the US will ever enforce the border with lethal force, way too much media and worldwide backlash. We definitely have a border problem..... | |||
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We will all schittt out pants if this is true..... http://conservativetribune.com...rs-well-pay/#respond | |||
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Investigation Shows Different Result Than Family Claimed: Investigators believe Presidio County ranch shooting was friendly fire, not border violence. A shocking development in a story CBS 7 first broke over the weekend. Two hunters who were shot in a remote ranch along the Mexican-border in Presidio County claimed illegal immigrants ambushed them Friday night. But it turns out investigators believe this was just a case of friendly fire among each other. Presidio County Sheriff Danny Dominguez has been saying all along that there was no indication of cross border violence here. He tells us the investigation shows that Walker Daughetry shot Edwin Roberts and another hunting guide in their group, Michael Bryant, shot Walker. ...Here’s how investigators believe the shooting happened: Walker thought illegals were inside the RV that Edwin and his wife were in, in an attempt to kidnap them. Instead of announcing himself, Walker allegedly tried opening the RV. That’s when Edwin fired off a round from inside the RV missing Walker. Walker immediately ran inside his cabin to grab his gun and to get backup from Michael. With rumors of border violence spilling over from Mexico to the United States, Sheriff Dominguez believes this may have caused the hunters to be paranoid... In the mean time, a ballistic test will be conducted to determine which guns the bullets came from. ...CBS 7 was able to speak with Walker’s fiancé over the phone who was at the ranch that night of the shooting. She says she cannot comment on the case until it is completed, but did want to mention that they’ve experienced multiple encounters with illegals last month, and claims to have had hundreds of dollars worth of supplies stolen by them at the ranch. | |||
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And if they do get to the point of starving that bad you'll see even more of them trying to come over. | |||
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