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Yes,the 358STA loaded with 280 Swifts at 2800fps+ or 250s at 3100fps is my choice. | |||
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Well..Yes and No!  If you have any African aspirations then the 375 is w/o question the better one to own. If you don't, then I'd likely pick a big cased 338 such as a 338 Ultra, 330 Dakota or similar. They have a flatter trajectory than either ones mentioned and recoil is no worse than a 375 in comparable weight rifles. | |||
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| <phurley> |
over.40 -- I have a couple of .358 STA's and get 3000 fps. plus out of one of them, on the 280 Swift A-Frame. The faster barrel is a Dan Lilja . My other STA trails that by 150 fps. To answer the original question I like the .375 over the .338. When you talk .340 Wby or .358 STA, that might be a good debate. Good shooting ------------------ | ||
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Phurley,how long is your Lilja barrel? I ran out of time to test loads. Both of these loads are mild in my rifle, but they both shot under .750inch so i quit there. I am looking forward to more testing,had to go chase elk. | |||
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Well Gold Cup... I've had both the .338 and .375 and I'd tend to agree with you. I love to shoot my .375 but that .338 was a chore (I traded it off). True.. It may not shoot as flat but it'll reach out there and touch what ever you're after and they (.375s)are generally very accurate. And the bullet selection is wonderful. The .358 STA is cute and all but I'd go for a caliber I could buy over the counter ammo if I got in a pinch. | |||
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Gold Cup, I think the 375 has a greater combination of performance, practicality, tradition/history, desirability etc. etc. than any other caliber. The 338 Winchester offers lower price rifles and components and can also be and usually is lighter. Mike | |||
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Am I hearing correctly that the recoil from a .338 is more severe than that of a .375 (I presume .375 H&H)? | |||
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I like both, but for my type of hunting in Alaska, I selected the most popular of the two: "The Alaskan" .338 WM. Can the .375 H&H kill a little deader? Maybe, but with bullets ending at 300 grains I can't think of the differences between the two, except that the .338 shoots flatter, and it is usually lighter in weight. With bullets from 300 grains and up, then I would favor the .375 H&H. If I had both, then I would favor the one of the two I would be most proficient with. | |||
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| <Ben H> |
Ray, Alaska; Well said, indeed.......... Ben | ||
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I have shot them both on game including Buffalo and don't see much difference between them in killing power or knockdown.. I like them equally, but the 338 shoots a little flatter and I like it on this side of the pond, I just don't know. What I do know is the 416 or 404 is better for Buffalo, Lion and Elephant. Given the dredfull choice, I guess I'd probably go with the 338 Win, well maybe.....As much as I tend not to be wishy washy thats a real tough choice....then there is the 9.3's, oh well. ------------------ | |||
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| <Gold Cup> |
quote: Dear BBBruce, What I meant was that the recoil velocity of the 375 in a typical weight rifle is less than that of the 338. It would,therefore, seem that shooting the 375 would result in a less sharply felt recoil even if the ft. lbs. GC | ||
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In equal weight rifles, the .375 will have more recoil than the .338. | |||
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Well guys... I there's theory and then there's what my shoulder feels. The data says the .375 recoils harder but my shoulder says different. My experience is that the .375 FEELS like it has less recoil than the .338. I can shoot my .375 all day long but I'd be heading for the Advil after 10 shots from that .338. Maybe it was just the gun (but they were both model 70 classics) and the .375 does weigh a bit more. Maybe it's the velosity of recoil. I duno why... but I know it's real. So I guess I'm saying I agree with Gold Cup. | |||
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Ray,dont you just love these tough choices. | |||
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With a .338 and a .416, I am scared of nothing. | |||
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| <john holmes> |
From what I've heard,stock dimensions are differant on true magnum rifles,in that the rear of the stock is up to a 1/4 inch wider, as compared to the .338 win mag which is chambered in rifles which were originally designed for the 30/06 class of cartridges and have a more slender stock and weigh less.Are the stock dimensions of the current M70's the same between these two cartridges? | ||
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Zero, I can't imagine a better combo...than a 338 win and a 416 Rem., from a practical standpoint for anywhere in the world... ------------------ | |||
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| <Paul Dustin> |
I would pick the 375. But it would be the 375JRS | ||
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| <Jeff S> |
I'm one who believes the .375 H&H is easier on your shoulder than a .338 Win Mag. To my shoulder and cheek the .338 doesn't push as hard as the .375 but it sure does push much faster. The .338 seems like a big recoil with a nasty snap to it while the .375 just kind of has the big recoil. They all suck from the prone though...ouch! | ||
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I think you're right Jeff.. The cheek may be where the difference is felt and... they both suck from the prone. But they both feel pretty "user friendly" compared to my .416 Rigby!! | |||
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As Zero Drift said and Ray seconded, .338 & a .416. | |||
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| <Andy> |
Gold Cup, When I raised american bison, the 338 was the smallest caliber that would kill a bison dead with one shot to neck (spine) or heart. To my surprise, the 35 remington mag (short magnum) with a 225 at about 2550 fps was just as good as a 210 at 2,975 or a 250 gr at 2,700 fps from a max max load in a 338. the 35 whelan improved was even better (250 at 2,700), and the 375 worked with anything even junk 270 gr Remington factory ammo. The 358 Norma was dandy too. Based on this experience I can see why people rave about the old 9.3 x 62 (.366 caliber). Anything over 358 caliber works better than it ought too. The 338 needs alot more velocity to equal these other medium bores and for that reason I standardized on the 375. If you look at the frontal area of a FMJ 338 (0.084 square inch I think), vs a 358 (0.10 square inch), and a 375 (0.110 inch), you will see why the 358 and up work so well. they are only 10% less frontal area than a 375. The 338 is not as big in diameter as it looks. since a 375 is good for Africa Id use it. I agree they kick less than 338's which usually are very light. Also a pain to load with 250 gr bullets. Start out with a 250 gr Swift in your 375 and you will see it shoots plenty flat and does not kick. Andy | ||
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As the .375 compares quite favorably with the .338 Winchester, in regard to trajectory, while offering the minimum legal "DG" bullet diameter, I opt to bring it over any lesser caliber, paired with whatever the heavy rifle is, .416 on up. As a visiting hunter, these are valid considerations IMHO. I have wished for a true "light" rifle often while in Africa but it really is problematic bringing 3 rifles. | |||
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I would unhesitatingly hunt any animal on earth with any of the mentioned calibers, 338, 9.3's, 375, 416, 358 Norma. The 416 outshines them all for the big stuff, but the rest will do and I doubt there is a nickles worth of difference between them, in the real world... ------------------ | |||
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| <Harry> |
Throw me in the 338 Win Mag and 416 Rem Mag pile. A combo that really works well. | ||
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| <10point> |
The .338 is the most versatile round there is. I have a 180 B-tip load that is so accurate its amazeing, the 200's work great as well, and the success of the 210 nosler has been well documented. The heavier bullets are a joy to clobber with as well. I dont know tho, the .375 H&H has not only survived the test of time but it has flourished. Truth to tell, if I had seen a similiar rifle on the rack, in .375 , I probably would have bought it. I think the .375H&H is a sweetheart to shoot.............10 | ||
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