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Yessir! The MOST important part. Some on here are failing to see that all those "irrelevant" number are so interconnected that you cannot have one without the other. Silly for sure! Zeke | |||
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To me bullet placement is a given. I agree that a gut shot is gut shot 30-06 or 375. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Yes, I shot a bullet from a rifle using black powder. Where did I contradict myself? I have not chronographed any of my black powder loads, so I don't know what any of their velocities or energies are. My BP bullet did not have the velocity or energy that a bullet from my .375 RUM does, but I put my bullet in the right spot and it had enough kenetic energy to penetrate into that buffalo's lungs and cause enough damage to quickly kill him. Were they Buff hunters or Bison hunters? Throughout the 1800s and most of the 1900s, those animals were called American Buffalo. That's where the names of cities like Buffalo, NY or Buffalo WY and the Buffalo nickle came from. It's not Bison, NY. Then some taxonomist decided that these weren't true buffalo like the Cape Buffalo in Africa, so we should call them by their Latin name of bison. But the Latin name of Cape Buffalo isn't buffalo, it's Syncerus, and no one calls them by their Latin name. The only animal that I know of that is called by its Latin name is the Hippopotamus. How many people can even pronounce the Latin name of whitetail deer? The Hawken rifles were developed by Samuel and Jacob Hawkens in 1823, and were the favorite of the Mountain men and early buffalo hunters. The Sharps rifles which could be reloaded quicker, were favored after the Civil War by the later buffalo hunters. P.S. Thanks for the Congrats on my Buffalo! or NRA Endowment Life Member | |||
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If the bullet reaches vitals and damages them, you have a dead animal. How well it reaches it and how much it damages are a function of bullet size, construction, momentum, energy, target anatomy, and physiologic state. If you control for all but one variable, the one with a “bigger” value will work faster. To me, that’s the essence of “knock down power”- which, given otherwise identical situations, works faster. Saeed’s .375 kills buffalo. If Saeed used a .577 T Rex and hit the animal with an identical design monometal bullet in the exact same spot, with the same velocity, what happens? The animal falls over a bit sooner. More knock down power. Is it needed or desirable? That’s his choice. He will kill the animal regardless. Is it dying after running 10M a bigger success than 50M of death run? Maybe in some situations, but frankly not that I have seen practically. If Johnny wants to shoot a Buffalo with a .577 TRex, it will work. Better? Depends on how you define better. In my case, it wouldn’t work as well because I can’t carry that heavy a rifle very far, and I wouldn’t hit much because I’d have one hell of a flinch after sighting it in at camp. That doesn’t discount it has more “knock down” power on a theoretical basis, just that it wouldn’t work for me. | |||
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Were they buff or bison? Is a pronghorn an antelope or goat? Is a mountain goat a sheep or goat? By the time we get that deciphered we won't know if killing one is done with energy or bullet construction. | |||
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You have hit the nail on the head. You see, what I use is a unique combination, very rare. I developed the cartridge myself. I built the rifle myself. I designed and made the bullets myself. This gives my hunting an advantage never seen before. All I have to do is point the rifle in the general direction of the buffalo, and pull the trigger. The bullets find their own way to a vital area. Once the bullet just touches the animal, he is dead! ![]() | |||
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I've been loading TTSX bullets in my 338WM lately. I'm amazed at their accuracy and how well they buck strong winds but haven't shot any critters with them yet. Notwithstanding Nightforce's Australian origins, though, I'm happy to say my rifle is graced with a great old reticle-movement Hensoldt Diavari 1.5-6x. Along with its Zeiss sister, I doubt there's ever been a better hunting scope. | |||
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A fright train at 100 MPH is deadly knock down even on elephants et al.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Enough velocity to do what is needed. Good enough bullet design to destroy enough organs. Is all that is needed. What is needed It can vary widely form animal to animal. Situation to situation. Then far more important is how each and every shooter thinks it should preform. | |||
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I think I will go down to 250 gr in my 375 less recoil than the 300 has long has I have the same velocity than my 06 2550 fps | |||
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Add a well placed shaft and broad head to the mix. Anything you can kill with a bazooka can and has been killed with a simple stick and string..... Dead is Dead!!!! | |||
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A 45-70 can and probably has killed anything in North America. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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Two important points raised here: Bullets have a mind of their own after entering the target's body--most hunters have seen this. Pass-throughs don't guarantee a blood trail-- think thick subcutaneous fat on a bear. You choose your weapon with care, considering the experience of yourself and others, and put the bullet in the right place, being ready to add others if the first projectile doesn't work. DManson | |||
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For all of the abuse the 270 WCF gets. I have dozens of elk, mule deer and black bear one shot kills almost all DRT. The one exception was a mule deer doe I shot in a Red Spring Wheat field in Montana. I shot her at 30 yards and she gamboled away. I didn't even shoot again because I thought something had knocked my scope off alignment. Then she fell over dead the tree behind where I shot her was painted in red. The other exception was the brown bear I killed in Alaska. Perfect shot behind the shoulder with a 300g A-Frame from a 375 H&H as it was quartering away at 13 yards. So close I could see the entrance wound spurt blood before the recoil took it out of the sight picture. The bear took 5 minutes to die (I'm guessing) we followed the blood trail after he quit making noise and it was like someone was throwing buckets of blood. It was coming out of his mouth. Perfect expansion, traversed the bear diagonally. Bullet still weighs 299.5 grains. Still he took 5 minutes to die. As my Mexican American friend says "Quien Sabe?" ![]() Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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I "think" a bullet that expands as chucks picture shows that is perfect expansion and smooth as a babys butt in many instances fails to tear up blood vessels, arterys etc as they slip around the bullet undamaged so to speak, whereas a bullet that expands in a ragged series of fan blades destroys more and kills quicker as a rule.. This of course is only my observation and that the perfect mushroom Toad stole may not be what its cracked up to be?? the reason I backed off Swift A-frame, I do like the Sirocco on PG, and it was develooped for that reason IM told..Giving us the option I was told by the powers that be.. Like I said this is only my observation, based on about 50 head of PG and a couple of buffalo, and the A-Frames worked fine on buffalo, but the PG seemed to make a lot of tracks and not a lot of blood, in a 30-06 and a 338..???????? Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I shot an anvil with a 500 grain bullet travelling 3023 fps and it didn't kill it. Explain that one. | |||
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Because it was already dead and had assumed room temperature? I think there is such a thing as knock down power. Defining it mathematically and generating proof is a little problematic. You are dealing with a biologic system, so controlling for variables is hard. That doesn’t mean a choice with less knock down power won’t kill or work… and how the difference looks in the real world. | |||
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It’s not energy that kills, it’s holes. I hit a deer perfectly broadside with my 6800lb truck doing 50 MPH and the deer just ran off. Do the math and see that deer was hit with 568,292.336367572 foot pounds of energy and simply ran off. I drove the truck home so the projectile held together well. Similar deer with a leg hung up in a wire fence hit perfectly broadside behind the shoulder with a .22 cal lead bullet at 1040fps at a mere 96.04894802158792 foot pounds and it went straight down. All that matters is the hole and where you make it. Take the rifle you shoot the best, use suitable quality bullets for the task, and simply enjoy your hunt. All We Know Is All We Are | |||
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And I think the only absolute is you don't know until after you pull the trigger. | |||
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Too slow, not enough velocity Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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The real culprit as to why the anvil was not killed was the cast bullet I was using was only 16BHN and 18BHN would have done the job with the right lube. I had cast the bullets from ingots that were made with an ingot mold but had I tracked down muffin pans from garage sales, the ingots would have been better suited. I know all this to be true from reading all the rocket science involved in casting bullets--ooppss many say boolits. | |||
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Is that still true if Walter shot the bullet? NRA Endowment Life Member | |||
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Sorry but your violating copy write and patent right laws. The perfect bullet company all ready has the rights to the perfect bullet. read it and weep. http://forums.accuratereloadin...101046541#7101046541 Even Walther can not F up with the perfect bullet | |||
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Yes, indeed! | |||
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A charging elephant is some old cows calf raised on milk!! I always carry a bottle of milk in my back pocket in case of a charge, now thats stopping power! ![]() Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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When I was in my very early 20s I moved to Montana. I was an assistant guide in the Bob Marshall. We still got grizzly tags back then. I had a BDL in 270 and I thought it was a cannon! I hunted brown bear about 10 years ago with a 375 H&H and wished I had brought my 500 Jeffery lol. Age changes things ... Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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I would, if necessary, hunt any animal on this earth with a 30-06 and a 200 gr. Noslers, and be allowed some solids for backup or elephant..and I would feel confident and safe..I know some folks that have.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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