we all know that they are all better than any 8mm!!!

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When in doubt, empty the magazine.

Handloaded to take advantage of their potential there is little they cannot do.

Handloaded to take advantage of their potential there is little they cannot do.

I have to vote for my 7mm Weatherby Magnum. I think this is a very over looked cartridge.
It was one of Roy Weatherby's early offerings and was over shadowed by the 300 Weatherby, but is a great cartridge in my opinion.

I have little trouble shooting 160 grain Nosler Partitions the better part of 3200 fps and let me tell you that shoots plenty flat and hits hard way out there.

As much as I like that Weatherby 7mm, if I wanted a new 7mm rifle, I would have a good gunsmith build a 280 Ackley Improved. Very impressive performance with a racy looking cartidge. I watched a buddy kill a near record book antelope with one at an easy 450 yards in Wyoming, it dropped like a rock!

Anyway, thats my vote.

R F

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Steve H

So I changed the question a bit, but those are my 2 choices.

My personal favorite is the 7 Rem, as one can find ammunition for it in many places, where other calibers may be hard to come by.

My current load is a 160 Aframe at 3077 fps from a 24" tube.

Allen

I vote the 280 Remington...6 points

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May I be half the man my dog thinks I am.

The 7mmRM was a disapointment, as it provides few benefits ower my 30-06. Only with highpressure loads of scertain powders (N560) and extended ranges will it do better than the 95 years old -06. I�m not saying it�s bad at all, just that it�s not that much better compared to nonmagnum and much older designs.

To get a real step up from the very good (excellent accuracy, lots of power with reasonable powder charge, low recoil, leight rifles etc) midrange 7-08 and 7x57 an STW is called for. A 7mmRM has an edge too, but only with high pressures.

JMHO, AKI

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Originally posted by Hal S:
I don't think you can classify all the 7mm cartridges in the same category. I think there are 2 different categories - The 7-08 and 7x57 type cartridges and the various 7mm magnums.

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Actually, I think there are three categories: the two you mention, plus a third in between those two. That third class contains the 280 and its twin the 7x64, and the 284 Winchester. These three produce velocities that are an order of magnitude greater than the 7mm/08 and 7x57, and an order of magnitude less than the 7mm magnums.

I had a 284 Win when they first came out. I loved the cartridge, but "standardized" for a while on the 308.

I think the 7-08 or 7x57 are great cartridges for deer and antelope. If I wanted a little more velocity for forkhorns/springbok I'd go with the 284.

The bigger magnum cases are just barrel burners IMHO. My middle brother disagrees, as his main carry rifle is 7mmRemMag.

Don

Brad

A very versitile caliber. A seven will do almost anything you need a rifle to do and do it well, several is not too many to have!

Daryl

The 8x57 is pretty good too.

However,I also believe the popularity contest of the 7mm mags will eventually come down to these two beltless wonders:

1. 7mm WSM
2. 7mm Remington Ultramag.

At present my vote goes to the 7mm Ultramag.

I vote for the 7mm Remington; no more recoil than a 30-06 with much better ballistics in the lighter loads. I've pretty much settled on 140 grain loads as an all-around game-getter.

Tom

Some cartridges are work, some are a pain in the butt, some are just plain hard. But the 7X57 ?

Now thats a FUN round to both load and shoot. I'd love the Browning BLR Lightening lever-gun in 7X57.

Now that would be fun, no, I mean FUN!!!!.........good shooting.............10

Surprisingly enough my 7's, everyone I've built, shot the 130 gr. Speer into a inch or better, defying all theory exclaimed by the gun scribes of the world...

I have never seen a M21 or 22F Brno that wouldn;t shoot any bullet weight and they are all set up in this same manner.........

With this setup I can easily match the 280 Imp. and crowd the 7 Mag. In fact beat the factory loaded 7 Mag., but only with one powder, H414....

I normally use a 175 gr. Nosler Partition at 2700 plus a mite in my long throated Brno..I won't give the load because someone might try it in a standard chamber and thats a definate no no....I have shot that load for 30 years and it has taken some of the worlds baddest critters and did it in style. I shoot the 160 Nosler at 2900 plus in this gun.

The long throat is just another way of improving a cartridge, I've often thought that if you improved the 7x57 and incorporated the long throat with it, you could really kick it up, but I wouldn't want to do that on my collectable old Brnos. PO Akley told me that he had done that and found it didn't quite work that way as the long throat or the blown out shoulder just about "squeezed all the juice out of that lemon" but was the best cartridge that he had ever improved.

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ray@atkinsonhunting.com
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The best 7mm cartridge is either a 300 Winchester or a 300 Weatherby with 200 grain premium bullets.

Good Hunting !

However you cut it, no 7mm round gives the long range power that a .30 mag will since it just can't. Which is why I feel that the STW, Weatherby and others of that ilk don't make much sense. The 7-08 is also pretty useless since it gives the same ballistics at higher pressure than the 7x57. So what if it fits in a "short" action? No one except Americans seem interested in short actions anyway.

If the field in 7mm had to be thinned, I would say that the 7x64/7x65R and the .280 Rem cover it nicely. If you think you need more power, the next step would be one of the .30 Magnums, not a hot-rodded 7.

Pumba I think you should start over and read the question again. 7mm not 30 cal!!

My favorites are 7-08 imp for 120-140 grainers. For 150-175 i would vote for 7mm WBY and 7MM DAKOTA. WHY??

Both calibers have long necks which means that you don't have to stick the bullet down in the engine room and case volume are about enough for good velocity and downrange peformance. The 7mm wby is not far behing the 7 STW. The 7mm dakota is just as fast as 7 STW, but shorter and with longer neck.

All three caliber also has good brass, which can't be said about the RUM cases. 7mm are a overlooked caliber, a good 160 grainer in 284 will outperform a 180 grainer in 30 cal all day long.

If you want more bang for bigger game than 284 can offer, pick a red hot 338 with 225-250 grainers.

[This message has been edited by JOHAN (edited 07-09-2001).]