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Who says Barnes don't leave a blood trail...
29 October 2020, 07:07
Mike_DettorreWho says Barnes don't leave a blood trail...
come on, isn't 1 in a row a trend...
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
29 October 2020, 07:25
LHeym500Looks like you hit him with red dyed water out of a super shoaker!
Good show. Best eating meat.
29 October 2020, 08:28
Lamaryou enjoy the cold?
29 October 2020, 11:00
surefire7Got your Elk. Congrats!
Great burgers on the grill coming your way...
29 October 2020, 16:18
Mike_DettorreIt was 6 degrees that morning and -7 the next morning.
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
29 October 2020, 17:59
Jason PThat is amazing.
I had no idea Dave Ramsey went elk hunting!
Big congrats!
29 October 2020, 18:13
Aspen Hill AdventuresGood job, Mike!
~Ann
29 October 2020, 18:59
Mike_DettorreAll the blood on the hide is from the exit wound and she laid in the puddle of blood from the exit wound.
The "blood trail" comment is a bit of a joke as she only went about 7 yards. The pics of blood are all within in the same 15 ft circle. There was literally an explosion out the offside from the heart shot.
284 win, 140 gr TTSXs @ 3025
Shot distance 280 yards
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
29 October 2020, 20:00
LHeym500What we have here is the confirmation of a few long standing observations of the collective knowledge of hunting:
1) One does not need a 338 WM and larger to kill elk very dead, very inefficiently as least with a live weight of 360 odd pounds cows and spikes run.
2) An exit wound leaves a lot more blood on the ground than just an entry wound,
3) Heart shots that impact when the heart is full of blood are devastating due to the fluid or liquid being rapidly displaced. The created a massive rupturing wound. This is the filled “Coke Bottle Effect” as termed by Dr. Kevin Robertson.
4) Heart shots are more effective than pure lung shots.
I honestly think if you said, “You can hunt every year in a good area, but nothing else the rest of your life.” I would choose to hunt elk. The adventure, the effort (when it is easy, it is still physical), and the return in meat is too alluring to pass up.
29 October 2020, 21:03
Big Wonderful WyomingI would pick elk as well.
My father claims it to be the world's best deer hunt.
I'd have to agree.
29 October 2020, 22:19
BaxterBMeat! Nice job Mike.
30 October 2020, 11:30
JBrownWell done Mike! I think you guys got sub zero temps before us this year.
BTW, I can’t believe guys still claim that Barnes bullets don’t leave a good blood trail. Here is a picture of Renee running the blood trail of a Caribou we got last spring. If you follow the blood you can see that it continues past the left side of this picture. This seems to be common with all of the animals I take with TSX and TTSX bullets.
Jason
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30 October 2020, 23:29
Frostbitquote:
Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
I would pick elk as well.
My father claims it to be the world's best deer hunt.
I'd have to agree.
I'll take Moose. Elk is very good though.
31 October 2020, 00:08
DesertRamI am in the "exit wound" camp rather than the "dump all the energy in the critter" camp, so I like Barnes, which often exit. Mike's cow is typical Barnes performance based on my experience with them in several rifles. I like them and will continue using them.
Now, as to hunting just one animal. Hmm. I like hunting elk and mule deer and even antelope, but if I could hunt one animal locally EVERY year in exchange for the others, it would be oryx hands down. (Assuming I don't get to choose desert bighorn or something sexy.) They are plentiful, wonderful fun to hunt, handsome, and great on the table.
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31 October 2020, 10:34
DLSWay to go, Mike! Between the moose and this elk, I know what you’re eating this winter. I’ll be up there soon, will connect up if you’re around.
01 November 2020, 01:11
steelI shot a wild boar with my .505 gibbs with barnes 525 grain tsx and he bleed a lot as well as a broken neak and both shoulders. The bullet went through and through.
01 November 2020, 08:28
Use Enough Gunquote:
I had no idea Dave Ramsey went elk hunting!
That's funny! Nice cow elk Mike! There's some great eating there for sure! Congrats!
08 December 2020, 06:26
SFRanger7GPCongrats on the elk.
I am a big fan of the Barnes bullets. I have never lost an animal hit by a Barnes bullet and most have exited. I have never put much attention on blood trails as most animals have been dead on impact or dropped within a few yards.
Today I carried the first rifle I bought and used to kill my first deer over 47 years ago. It is a Remington 700 BDL in 243. I used Barnes factory ammo with the 80gr TTSX bullet to kill a big, fat doe and a big old 8 pointer this morning. Both ran 50 plus yards through thick mesquite. The blood trail was very evident (shoulder shot on both and bullet exiting).
Safe hunting and Happy Christmas!
08 December 2020, 20:20
TREE 'EMNice meat Mike!
I've been up and down on X bullets over the years. I love them for bigger calibers but have mixed emotions about them below .30. I've had some skimpy blood trails with 6mm & 6.5mm even with pass throughs. A few deer have gone further than I prefer with high lung hits and made me work harder than I wanted to recover them. I can't/won't claim bullet failure, because the failing was not the bullet, but for me personally I favor a small amount of frontal frangibility in the lighter calibers.
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08 December 2020, 21:47
MARK H. YOUNGCongrats Mike!
My observation has been that the TSX or TTSX penetrates like crazy and kills very well but on a straight through lung shot the animals do go a little further and leave a minimal blood trail. I also have observed that the harder you drive them the better they work and a lighter TSX or TTSX works as good or better than a heavier bullet of another brand.
For me the 270 TSX gives great performance in 375 caliber, the 185 and 210 TTSX are just about perfect in the 338 caliber, 165 TSX is a bomb in 308 caliber and I'm anxious to try the 110 TTSX in my new 270.
Mark
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DesertRamHey Mark, good comment about 165s in .308. The 150s have proven very effective in my .300 WSM.
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