Well I'm a fan of the 416 Rem Mag and even though I would most likely never need it it would be fun to shoot. Practicality being what it is I'd lean towards a .338WM or a .358 Norma.
Posts: 257 | Location: Long Beach | Registered: 25 June 2002
Mine will be a 404 Jeffrey. Nice traditional rifle with an effective cartridge yet is moderate enough to be shot well. Have the action and stock blank, just waiting for the barrel to arrive.
Posts: 138 | Location: Hubbell, Michigan, USA | Registered: 05 October 2002
For you either a .375 H&H or a 416 would be very nice. Either one will do the job if aimed right.
There are cast bullets to play with in these big bores and when the velocities are up to 2000 fps or more they are effective on medium game within their range.
These guns kick like hell! I am sure someone will say that they don't and show one chambered in a pistol but to me the .375 is all that I want to shoot for fun. Even the heavy bullet .375 loads are rough. That's why I sold a accurate .378 Weatherby.
The .375's that I have might be a little heavy. A friend has a new M 70 in .375 H&H and it has a medium profile 24" barrel and the rifle handles really well. This is a reason to stay with the .375. Of course the 416 could be loaded down. Both as I say are right answers. Don't be swayed by what others say. "All guns good, shootem good"
I have two M 1999 SA's on order. At the moment one will be a 6mm Rem on a 22" featherweight barrel and the other a 270 WSM. No barrels or stocks are on order. I have a lot of rifles already.
I have a pair of actions, and the right-hand magnum bolt-face is in hand and in construction. The left-hand action is "real soon now" or whatever it takes. Both will become .458 Lott dangerous game rifles, and are the prototypes for my proposed line of PH working rifles. The barrels are Lothar Walther with 10" twist, the better to stabilize solids in critters. The stocks will be laminates.
For my personal pleaseure I am looking at a .400 H&H, but no reamers are available for that cartridge yet.
jim dodd
Posts: 4166 | Location: San Diego, CA USA | Registered: 14 November 2001
Chompin' at the bit here for the 2 s/a,ss, rh that were ordered last week!! One will most likely be a .338 WSM & the other either a 25-284 or a 6.5-284. Still lots of decisions to make on barrels, stocks, etc. Never gone the custom route before so before long there will be plenty of questions. Good Shooting, Bruce
Wow, it looks like we have some mighty big calibers about to get born. My LH short action is going to be a little 358 Win., 22" barrel, McMillan or a laminated stock and a fixed 4X Leupold. This is going to be one sweet little deer rifle.
If I can ever get a certain Remington lovin', Mauser hatin' gunsmith's attention (JUST KIDDING! Please, Jack, put down that M98!) I have a pair of C-M left hand actions on order that I would dearly love to have turned into a pair of classy classics. Blued, trued and fine tuned sitting in nice wooden stocks.
Calibers? A .30-06 and a .375 H&H. Call me boring, but I appreciate proven results.
If I lived in Wyoming then I would lean towards the .308 or maybe the .338/08. Here in the North East the .358 Winchester is my primary woods cartridge but most of the shooting is up to 75 yards. I have had some shots at 200 yards but they are rare so I would make a .358 Win, if I did not have three of them now, with a light 20" barrel.
But the .358 Win will work at 300 yards if one runs the numbers. I suppose that the .308 runs out of steam around that range also.
Keep in mind that the barrels on light .358 Wins are really thin and that's why I suggest a little bit more meat on such a barrel but cut to 20".
A 404 or what ever 40 would be ok as the big bores do really well with cast bullets. I have shot my .375 H&H more with them than jacketed loads. They will take deer sized game and more I suppose within their range. If you look at all of the old cartridges it the 1880's many of them were .40's.
I ordered 2 LH long actions. They will become a matched pair 300 and 375 H&H. Soon I will order 2 short action LH, one to be a 220 Swift and the other to be a nice, light, octagon barreled 257 Roberts. I think I will order 2 of the minis in LH. Probably a 17 Rem and a 222 Rem. I want to get one of the PH actions, LH of course but am undecided about the caliber as of yet.
Posts: 993 | Location: Wasilla, AK | Registered: 22 December 2002
I have a stainless short action on the way. Going to get MRC to do the barrel, #4 countour, also and lone wolf riflestock. The caliber is going to be a 270 WSM to take care of those pesky little Sika deer around here. Should do a pretty good job on whitetail also.
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Posts: 167 | Location: Eastern Shore of MD | Registered: 29 March 2003
I purchased a stainless SA Montana 1999 action and plan to have PAC-NOR install a stainless 22” barrel in a .350 Rem mag. by mid-summer. I intend to use this rifle for elk hunting in the North Idaho fir jungles, and I want it to be short, light and quick. My SE Whelen has a muzzle end diameter under .600”, and I have a relatively lightweight .338 that has a .625” muzzle end diameter. So, I believe that I’ll ask PAC-NOR to put it up around .600”, or maybe go to .620” to have just a little more meat for stiffness and forward balance. I do know for certain that it will be bedded and floated in a McMillan featherweight stock. CP.
Be carefull about the big bores, I can't find a 404 drop box for the Montana action!! Blackburn does not make a 404 box for a M-70, just for a Mauser, so one should give some thought to the 416 Rem in the Montana action...
I may just peddle mine, it is a 375 lenth action..if interrested...$650.00
Drop boxes are available for 375 and 416 Rem. from blackburn.
I will go another route for a 404, or just blow it off..
Posts: 42348 | Location: Twin Falls, Idaho | Registered: 04 June 2000
I have two SS short actions coming and I was planning on building matching rifles for myself and my best friend since we were 13, for our 50th birthdays. Sort of wanted an all around North American big game rifle caliber, nothing that'll require reloading.
Probably the .300WSM. It seems to have the best variety of loads.
Or maybe the 7mm WSM. Good for everything except big bears?
Help.
Recoil Rob
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Posts: 1712 | Location: East Coast | Registered: 06 January 2003
I have a couple of SA M 1999's on order and one will be a WSM. I am going back and forth on what cartridge to pick like you. I already have a 7mm WSM (M70) so I think I will get a 270 WSM. This is not certain yet as I could always sell the M70 as it's only a Classic but it does shoot well. There are no flies on the 7mm WSM except for the fact that it's not popular.
The .300 WSM is here to stay it seems sure if that means anything to you. If you must make this particular WSM be a do it all and include "big bears" then consider that a 338 WSM might be announced.
Just get the 300 WSM. Better yet order some more actions and get them all.
The .300 WSM is here to stay it seems sure if that means anything to you. If you must make this particular WSM be a do it all and include "big bears" then consider that a 338 WSM might be announced.
Just get the 300 WSM. Better yet order some more actions and get them all.
Hi Rick, The do-it-all aspect is mainly for my friend. This will be his only big game rifle beside a Win 94. I'd like to get him out on caribou, elk, pronghorn, mulies, etc. I don't think brown bears are part of the equation, so it's either the 7mm or 300. I just checked Win. & Fed, and the only ammo available for the 300 is 150 & 180g. Federal doesn't make 7mmWSM, but Win has 140, 150, &160. And this guy is NEVER going to handload. I agree the .300 has a better chance of hanging around but I have a while to decide.
Rob
Posts: 1712 | Location: East Coast | Registered: 06 January 2003