That's right. Treble hooks. I heard about this dispicable act last deer season. I was talking to a Game Warden in Miss. a couple of weeks ago, and ask him if it was true. He said it was and apparently quite a number of deer had been harvested this way.
Sad to say, it actually happened in Louisiana according to him. What these guys did was hang an apple, impaled on a treble hook, about six feet off the ground. A stout line was tied to a strong but flexible limb. These poachers got caught by driving to the deer at night and someone reported the headlights in a field.
If anyone can confirm this with a print arcticle please post it here as I would like to hear the particulars of this case. That's just criminal and they deserve to get five times what the penalty will probably be!

well, there's more fuel for PETA and the rest of the anti-hunters. Damn. What a bunch of A$$holes.

Cant find any reference to it on the La. Dept of W&F website, nor on the Louisiana Sportsman magazine's web site (I have the latest hard copy and no info in it), nor has Dave Moreland heard of this, nor in the Baton Rouge 'Morning Advocate' newspaper (Joe Macaluso's Sportsman Section, twice weekly). Let us know what "confirmations" you may find on this beyond hearsay, Perforator. Surely, that Mississippi Game Warden had more details on something as inhumane as this would appear to be. Surely?

What else did he (the Ms Game Warden) tell you about it as far as times, dates, what Louisiana Parish it happened in? I'll search it out if you can pass on that info. Thanks.

Dungbeetle

Perforator, somewhere on the net I found an article about a guys dog who had been hooked while he was walking with it. I think it was in Washington state, and a judge was trying to pass a law against this type of trapping. It is apparently still legal in some states. Peta will certainly use cases like as ammunition against all hunters and trappers. Heres another article http://access.wa.gov/leg/2004/Feb/n2004117_3072.aspx

I've heard of catching coyotes this way but not deer. From what I have heard of those "trapping" coyotes with this method, it is a very inhumane form of trapping (if can be classified as such) and it is not unusual to catch dogs as well. The thought of someone pursuing deer with this method turns my stomach.

George

Thanks for the post Snydburns. I just can't picture this practice without gagging. As for the Game Warden that I talked to, I havn't been able to contact him today. I'll try tomorrow to get a clarification on this issue.

From the article link you included, but my comments below it are not directed at you.

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"Using a hook to snare an wild animal is needlessly cruel," said Fraser. "I think the state would like to be able to prohibit hook trapping, but there's a loophole in the law that currently allows it. This bill sews up the loophole."

Because it was crafted using the state's animal cruelty law, Fraser notes that the legislation would continue to allow the use of hooks for fishing.

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Ouch!!

Consider the possible long-term implications of this ruling. In several European countries the animal rights folks have already managed to convince the government that catch-&-release fishing is "cruel." Thus it has been outlawed.

Now, even though the wording of the ruling above precludes fishing, how long will it be before the AR contingent jumps on the same "cruelty" aspect for C&R fishing in this country or in individual states? Granted, with the millions of anglers in the US, it would be a difficult push, but anything is possible, as we saw with the leg-hold traps here in AZ a few years back. They too were deemed to be cruel. -TONY

Factoid: use of fish hooks in brush, hanging from branches and whatnot is also a method used by farmers--pot farmers, that is, in an effort to keep both man and beast away from their crops.

Any hook in the body in any form is no fun, but a rusty one in the eye would be enough to ruin anyone's day. Either way, used for poaching, man deterrant, or any other reason, it's bad sh*t, plain and simple.

Leighton

Looking forward to your feedback from your conversation with that Mississippi Game Warden.

I've searched other places and find no confirming info or even any reference to what you've posted. Waiting on a reply from the La. Dept of W&F's Enforcement Division.

Dungbeetle

Sounds like BS to me, makes a good story though.

I do know for a fact that people who grow the "wacky weed" have used this method before, as I've seen it when I was assigned to the narcotics task force. Nasty, Nasty, Nasty....

You've seen it with treble hooks and apples, 6 feet off of the ground?

Dungbeetle

I've not seen any apple-baited hooks, but I have seen plain old size 6ish ones in the Nortrheast Kingdom of VT.

As far as the apple-baited ones, maybe it was the deer baiting the pot farmers. "Man, I've got a wicked case of the munchies...say, there's an apple hanging from that tree; bonus!"

What's the limit on hippie pot farmers these days, anyway?

Leighton

I hope they burn those f*#*#$ at the stake. I say string them up by their balls I have a couple hooks I can spare!!!

Perforator, what news do you have from the Mississippi Game Warden? Got some folks interested to know more about this event. All followup for info, to this point, has come up dry. Hope to hear back from you on it.

Thanks.

Dungbeetle

Could it be done?? Yes, I believe so but why??? I believe it sounds more like some PETA bullshit that is started to get a platform for some more "feel good" legislation to further restrict our rights to hunt and fish.

This type of poaching has been going on down there for a long time. I met a guy in Wyoming that said he grew up doing it that way in Lousiana. The same guy caught a live wolverine in Wyoming and let it loose in his supervisor's office.

BEEMANBEME, as you well say, PETA surely does have their agenda and their methods. But, if you go back and read what Perforator wrote in his/her very first entry on this subject, it came across as a "headline news" type of entry. It still does. For my part, I hardly think that a Mississippi Game Warden (none that I personally know and I know 2, 1 of which is retired) are part of any PETA B.S. Now if you meant or were referring to Perforator being a PETA type mouthpiece - I dont know. I'd think not but you never know.

The problem here is that PETA folks and greenies do cruise these forums and use stuff like this for their fodder. All I am asking Perforator to do is come forward and give the info I asked about. I can check it out, I have the resources, I have the contacts and I will report back on it. Need some names and dates, 1st. I and many others have a very vested interest in Louisiana Wildlife and especially as it pertains to Black Bear, Whitetail Deer and Wild Turkeys. We take a very dim view of any kind of poaching, especially something as reprehensible as Perforator proclaimed happened there - and - Perforator (he/she) claims to have gotten that info from a "credible source".

Lots of folks have worked very hard to improve the outdoor situation in La. (same for other states, too). Part of that work effort is a "judicial watch". I feel that La. has a Game and Fish group of professionals that are second to none. My contacts there and at other places have come up dry on this, so far. Haven't heard back yet from Perforator but Perf may just be away from his/her computer. We'll see.

Lastly, I'd acknowledge that Louisiana still has a fair share of game outlaws. More so even than our fair share of Black Panthers (4 legged variety) that Perforator has seen.

Dungbeetle

Gents, first let me say that I am not an agent of PETA. I was just seeking some info on this subject from the forum. Sorry for the lack of response,(been out of town), and I didn't mean for my text to sound inflamatory. I called the game warden about specifics. He said that like me, he had just heard about the incident with no arrest record that he could verify. I called another game warden in a different management area. He said the same thing as the other fellow, but he added that he recieved a call a few years back that a hunter found a trotline strung out in the woods about 18" off the ground. It was baited with corn, presumably for turkeys. He was unable to locate it but a week had passed from the time the guy saw it to the time he reported it.
I searched on MSN this morning and found nothing. I'll keep looking through some newspaper search devices.

Dungbeetle, I wasn't pointing a finger at anyone as an agent of PETA nor any of the other lunatic fringe groups. I was pointing out that these lunatic fringe groups are certainly not above "bleeding" distortions and outright lies into the urban myth system and later using that same info in their gimme letters and attempts at manipulating legislature with such untracable statements such as: "its widely reported...."; "this information comes from many sources......" and so forth.
You can see from some of the instantly enraged responses without any question of verification that something of this sort could very well take on a life of its own. And, after a while, becomes a "fact".

Beemanbeme, I fully understand and very much appreciate what your posts have said on this thread and I agree with all you've said. Your observations are my exact point to Perforator.

Perforator - take the time to review all of what you've brought out of the woodwork here. Emotional issues such as this and with the attached reprehensible behavior should be supported by fact at the start. What all of it boils down to is a bunch of B.S. Your Black Panther story, well ???

I have seen a yearling deer hung up in hooks but it was by extenuating circumstance. High water in the Basin covered the better part of a hunting lease right on Tensas cut. Lease members and others put out trot lines in the flooded timber for catfish. They do this every time it floods and they stock up their freezers. The water dropped very fast and left these trot lines suspended. While 4 wheeler-ing immediately after the water dropped we stopped to get a beer and heard a deer bleating loudly and went to investigate. We found it tangled in a trot line and hooks. We cut it free. That was totally unintentional. Lease members, that day, then scoured the woods cutting down and removing everything they found.

Be careful with those blasting caps.

Dungbeetle

"Perforator - take the time to review all of what you've brought out of the woodwork here. Emotional issues such as this and with the attached reprehensible behavior should be supported by fact at the start. What all of it boils down to is a bunch of B.S. Your Black Panther story, well ???"

That is a good point and it won't happen again Dung. I will still look through the small town newspaper searches and see if anything surfaces.

Since you brought up the Blank Panther issue, I have seen one in the wild and that is an entirely different matter.

Your comments - noted.
Your Signature Line - noted, also.

Dung

http://www.parl.gc.ca/committees/sust/evidence/110_95-04-27/sust110_blk101.html

If you go to this site, you will get to read the testemony of Mr. Duane Martin (Law Enforcement Specialist, Parks Canada, Dept. of Canadien Heritage). Granted, that is a long way from Ms. / La. but his comments were interesting.

These comments were taken from the Committee minutes (.0955), you will have to scroll down until that number is revealed.

"Mr. Martin: The first one indicates that most of our national parks are in remote, rugged areas of Canada. Our boundary lines, as illustrated on the slide, are often the only physical indication of a differentiation between a totally protected regime in national parks and the provincial and territorial lands adjacent to it, which often have legal hunting seasons for a variety of species. The remoteness makes patrolling difficult and detection of individuals poaching in this type of terrain very difficult.

Poachers are often well-prepared, with access to radio-monitoring equipment, two-way communications and also night-vision equipment of a very low cost that's now available to the general public. As well, there's equipment that also facilitates access into rugged terrain, and river and lake environments, such as all-terrain vehicles, snowmobiles and horses, which allow them to get into that country.

A wide variety of poaching methods are utilized. While hunting with a firearm is often considered the norm in terms of poaching, some traditional trapping techniques are also used.

These are illustrative of cases in the parks. This is a foot snare. This large one is a neck snare, which is used to entrap moose as they go through an area.

Often less sophisticated but equally effective deadly means of ensnaring wildlife are used, such as a buried foot snare. This device sitting on the tailgate is buried in the ground. An animal, such as a deer, steps into that. It has flaps on the top of it so that once the animal steps into that, they cannot pull their leg back out. They are trapped until the individual comes back to them.

The second thing is wire and fish-hooks. These are often strung in trees or across trails to ensnare wildlife as they pass through. This is an example of that same type of technique used in a different manner. The wires and hooks are embedded in apples. Deer, particularly, will come along and eat the apples and become ensnared by the fish-hook once they swallow the apple."

I don't think this man would be laying out a line of bullshit in a Parlamentary Commitee meeting. To think that there are guys out there that would trap a deer like that!

By the way Dungbeetle, having taken your advise, a ten minute Google search landed this info. I thought you said you had resources?

That's some heavy stuff, sho nuff, Percolator. You tend to wander a bit but thanks for the google info you so diligently searched out for us. No doubt this stuff has happened intentionally/criminal and unintentionally.

My involvement in your headline news article (all capital letters and with exclamation marks) centered directly on the Louisiana piece of it. I googled the hell out of that one. I'm not gonna descab and republish all of what you said on this thread. Others and yourself can re-read them and make their own judgements about the merits - or the lack of them. I've made mine.

How about letting us all know a little more when you get that Louisiana trebble hooking info "confirmed". On the Black Panther - HAH! (your words), too. But, like you mentioned earlier, that's another "story".

Here's one - I had heard one time that a man actually died with a case of the red ass. I cant confirm that but - "Thats right, the red ass" - it's what I heard. Ought to be a law against it.

I'm already looking forward to your next headline news entry.

Dungbeetle
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