Just got a picture on email of this big boy, what a hog, Ive never seen anything like him...
292-1/8" score...I can't post the picture but somebody out there should be able to...

Is this it?
https://www.themeateater.com/h...ate-record-mule-deer

Big Mofo!

That’s the one.

Smoker!

Yes sir... I had the opportunity to hold that rack and take a look at it. Truly an impressive muley buck. Congrats to Greg, he passed that deer for several years on a low fence ranch knowing he might disappear, but obviously it worked out very well for him in the end!

Monster buck.

Incredible buck. It is a whitetail cross though?

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Incredible buck. It is a whitetail cross though?

Highly improbable Ann. Very few whitetail in Culberson county and those that are there are not very big. Crossing with a whitetail would actually result in the hybrid having smaller antlers in my opinion.

That buck's antlers does seem to posses a lot of whitetail characteristics however.

I actually thought the same thing Ann did when I opened the link and saw it for the first time.

His Main Beams look like a Whitetail. Maybe a 300 inch Whitetail escaped from a High Fence Farm and bred does? Maybe one of his Fawns escaped?

All big mule deer have a main beam much like a whitetail, but the points coming off that beam will fork in most cases...They will do a simple DNA test on this buck if allowed to do so and that will tell the tale..

This is a Mule Deer IMO and being non typical I can see where some might imagine a cross on any big muley. Also a cross bred whitetail/Mule deer will not have that dark horseshoe on his forehead, most cross bred Texas deer come out of the Sanderson area and they are rare indeed, even if it were a cross bred it would have to be from a farm deer, not from a wild deer considering the size.....but I know of no fenced monster farm whitetail ranches in that area,as the ranches tend to be 20,000 to a 100,000 acres and would tame billions to high fence, Those wild Texas white tail are very small in that area, and very close to some areas of Coues deer as I recall..Culberson county has produced these monster deer for many years, its a huge wild rough coutry on the New Mexico border on the West and NOrth, miles of sandhills and Sacawesti brush that grows horns and lies to the East and North..The last Texas record came out of the area North of Midland, Odessa, Pecos area, that buck is in the DPS office in Irean as I recall..Im pretty much going by memory and may need some correction, but basically correct I think. I hunted and lived with a good friend Alan Carraway whos dad was foreman on the Fryingpan? ranch that belonged to tom Lineberry and Evelyn Scarbery as a kid, and on rare occasion we would see a monster bucks that lived in the sandhills. I booked for a ranch that shot a 230 Mule deer some time ago in that same area, its big buck country, hard to hunt, but worth the effort....That's pretty close to home for me. You can take the boy out of Texas, but'cha can't take Texas out of the boy!

What an incredible buck, and Greg is really nice guy.

I was told, he passed on it last year when it was in the 230's.

I've been toying with the idea of a Texas Mule Deer Hunt. I think this just made up my mind. Wow....What a Buck.

Fantastic muley buck! Nice guy for sure. Looking at the antlers is probably the worst way to determine the difference between whitetails and mule deer. As Ray said, DNA, hair, tissue samples etc, as well as the tarsal gland is the protocol.

There aren't many whitetails in that area anyway, and the ones that are there are closer to the coues variety, Carmen Mtn whitetails than anything else, and there's no high fences out there that house whitetails for sure anywhere near that area.

I am glad he waited until that buck was 6 1/2.

JG,
Has anyone done DNA tests on "Carmen Mt.White tail" I say this because in the 1930s Elba Adams, Ulyss Adams, my dad and some others hauled Mule deer to Arizona and returned with Coues Deer and dumped them in the big bend park as I recall..part of Roosevelts reconstruction plan to create jobs..Those deer bread well and herded into the Del Carmens across from the Big Bend Park..The adams boys Apache, Dough, David Preston and I used to go back in there and shoot both Mule Deer and Coues deer, referred to as flag tails by the locals..

Then some well known biologist ups and reanames those deer and the SCI went along with it..or so it looks to me..not that really care but it could be a scam IMO..

At any rate it would be interesting to know how Coues deer from Arizona becames Carmen Mt. White tail, not saying it ain't so, just questioning it..

That's a good question Ray, and I really have no idea. I'm far from and expert on that subject, but they sure look the same to me and I sure wouldn't be surprised if you are right about that.

Atkinson needs to write a book.

I can't spel !

That buck looks like a Kaibab deer. Really nice massive but not terrifically wide.

Ray,

Regarding your query, Carmen Mountain and Coues DNA studies, yes.

PDF download.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=...&cshid=1581972168888

Here's a link to an article by Jim Heffelfinger that predates the genetic research:

https://ttha.com/article/coues...mens-cervid-cousins/

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My brother-in-law has a very nice mule buck from west texas that would make any colorado hunter happy.