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I am looking for a red dot to mount on my Encore ML. Looking at the Aimpoint 9000. I have also looked at the Bushnell that for the price looks pretty nice. Just not sure about the reliability. I have foiund mixed reports.
 
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Tracker, the little Dr. Optic is the best of the bunch. It would be very cool if there was a Talley base for it.

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Just something to consider, Aimpoints are about the best of the red dot sights. However, EOTech makes a true Holo sight that is parallax free from 22 yards to infinity. Red dots do have parallax associated with their use, with Aimpoints being the best in that regard. EOTech designed the Holo sight that Bushnell has been making for a number of years; it's also a true holo sight. EOTech, and the Bushnell are the only holo sights being made.
I have two of the EOTech models, and would recommend that if you do decide to get one, get a model that uses "AA" Batteries, not the ones using "N" cells for powder.
Once you get accostomed to using an EOTech sight, you will appreciate what they have to offer.

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I will give them a look. I have heard that they are nice. I am not sure how much I want to invest in this sight. I drew a Utah ML tag and can only use a 1X scope. I may onlu use this scope for one hunt. I currently have a Keupold 2 1/2 X 8 on it that I will put back on when I return for the hunt. Might then use the red dot for a turkey hunt.
 
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Ultradot is the way to go IMHO. I have them on handguns that kick the bejesus out of optics. Go to www.ultradotwest.com and take a look at the Ultradot 30 -- $139.00 shipped with a lifetime warranty.......



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I also have the Eotech. They are extremely rugged and I really like the fact that the dot is only 1 MOA. Many cheap units have very large dots, some are 6,8, and 12 MOA. How can you hunt with a 6 or 8 MOA dot? Much less, sight it in accurately.
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My dot size is 4 MOA and it doesn't hinder a thing. Ultradot also produces red dots with smaller dot sizes, but I don't find it necessary for the distances I hunt (out to 200 yards). Since they don't magnify, I would imagine all red dot use is limited to a certain range. The key is quick acquisition and low-light capability.

Many big-bore rifles don't generate the recoil energy that my .475 Linebaugh does. I consider it imperative that a red dot can put up with lots of abuse. I've seen many more expensive units fail on top of these big handguns. You don't always get what you pay for.



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I called Bushnell and asked about the holo sight for my .475 and they said it would most likely break. Then I called Magnum Research and they told me they use the Ultra Dot.
Since I can't afford $300 or more, it works for me.
 
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I have been a fan of the smaller Aimpoints, but even the small ones are big! I went over and took a look at the Ultradots, they look pretty good to me! I think I am going to try one of these on some of my B&M rifles. I like the looks of the L/T and on a forward mount in front of the receiver.
Thanks, for the info on that.

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Michael -- glad I could help! Bfrshooter turned me on to Ultradot a couple of years ago and I've never looked back. You won't be disappointed in the least. If they can hold up on top of these hand cannons, they should do well on your big-bore rifles. Keep me posted!



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Here is one of the 50 Super Shorts with an Aimpoint mounted, I think that small Ultradot L/t would be much nicer and a whole lot smaller.


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It'll definitely be more streamlined with the Ultradot. I think you will be very happy with it.



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I put a Aimpoint 7000L on my 375. It looks a little funky and it takes some getting use to, but its great for quick shots!

 
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LOL!!!! jumping jumping



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I have been and still am testing several different Red dots sights for hunting.

So far everything considered I like the Doctor Optic best.


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Just something to consider, Aimpoints are about the best of the red dot sights. However, EOTech makes a true Holo sight that is parallax free from 22 yards to infinity. Red dtos do have parallax associated with their use, with Aimpoints being the best in that regard. EOTech designed the Holo sight that Bushnell has been making for a number of years; it's also a true holo sight. EOTech, and the Bushnell are the only holo sights being made.
I have two of the EOTech models, and would recommend that if you do decide to get one, get a model that uses "AA" Batteries, not the ones using "N" cells for powder.
Once you get accostomed to using an EOTech sight, you will appreciate what they have to offer.

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I have an Eo Tec that used the Lithium 123 battery. The same battery that Surefire flashlights use. The battery life is extended tremendously.

For huntiong the AA Batteries might be better, you can get them anywhere, but the rifle I have this Eo Tec on has Surefire lights on it as well, so I only have to carry one battery type for it.

For hunting the DO is just so small and light.


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I have been using my Ultradot 30 for two years now extensively and am still on the original battry it was shipped with.......

I'm telling you, the Ultradot is the best kept secret out there. JMHO.



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I have one of the Ultradots on the way.

Looks pretty good to me!

Will keep you posted.

Thanks for the tip on these.

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Michael, you won't be disappointed. Which one did you buy? Keep me posted.



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I too have been testing them over the last few years. I like them a lot for close in work. I have played with various Aimpoints, Bushnells, EOTech, the little tiny Aimpoint too. Like the Aimpoints the best because of reliability and the battery, but even the compact ones are big. The tiny Aimpoint was nice, but I did not like it so well either. Very expensive too.

Have not tried the DO you recommend. What rifles have you tried them on?

I also find that I don't do so well with them in brush. Open ground is fine, but I have a hard time picking my way thru brush?

I just ordered one of the Ultradots that Whit recommends, I think it would work good on one of my little 50s!

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Got the Ultradot Pan A/V. Kinda liked the options of different reticles?

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Like I said before, they hold up well to abuse and they are light meaning they aren't subjected to as much abuse as some heavier units. This is the red dot that Magnum Research recommends be used on their big revolvers (.45-70, .475 Linebaugh, .500 Smith, .500 JRH, etc).



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Just something to consider, Aimpoints are about the best of the red dot sights. However, EOTech makes a true Holo sight that is parallax free from 22 yards to infinity. Red dtos do have parallax associated with their use, with Aimpoints being the best in that regard. EOTech designed the Holo sight that Bushnell has been making for a number of years; it's also a true holo sight. EOTech, and the Bushnell are the only holo sights being made.
I have two of the EOTech models, and would recommend that if you do decide to get one, get a model that uses "AA" Batteries, not the ones using "N" cells for powder.
Once you get accostomed to using an EOTech sight, you will appreciate what they have to offer.

Don



I have an Eo Tec that used the Lithium 123 battery. The same battery that Surefire flashlights use. The battery life is extended tremendously.

For huntiong the AA Batteries might be better, you can get them anywhere, but the rifle I have this Eo Tec on has Surefire lights on it as well, so I only have to carry one battery type for it.

For hunting the DO is just so small and light.


Thanks for the info!!!
I wasn't aware that EOTech had a model that used the Lithium 123 Batteries. I do like those batteries, and have a flashlight the uses tham.
I use the Lithium "AA" batteries in the EOTech sights I have, and they seem to last a long time.
Actually, I use the Lithium "AA" batteries in cameras, the GPS I have, and battery powered radios too. They may cost more to buy, but their longer life compared to Alkaline's may have them be more cost effective in the long run, not sure. But, I use them for their added life only.




 
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I prefer the reflex type. I have one of the Burris Fast Fires on a 3.5" mag turkey gun. It only weighs 2oz total(sight, batt, weaver mount, and base included).

I prefer the reflex design much more than the tube design. IMO they are faster and have a greater FOV.

Trijicon makes a nice one as well as Docter.

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Trijicon makes a nice site but they are very pricey. I think I may take a look at the Ultradot. Anyone have any feedback on these that purchased one since the post started.
 
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Trijicon makes a nice site but they are very pricey. I think I may take a look at the Ultradot. Anyone have any feedback on these that purchased one since the post started.


Yes. I have been using an Ultradot 30 for more than two years on a very hard recoiling handgun and it has held-up with no issues. I am also still using the original battery and I use it quite frequently. $145.00 shipped with a lifetime warranty. I don't think you can do better than Ultradot for the money. I have seen guys tear up much more expensive red dots on their handguns.



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Hi Tony

I just got the Ultradot Pan AV in a couple of days ago. It is the one with all the bells and whistles, different reticles and such. On my rifles it sits about 1/2 inch too high causing one to have to lift your head off the stock. I have a strap on cheek piece thing that solves that issue. But I think I am going to try the plain base one that will sit a little lower next time. Oddly enough the plain one costs more than the AV? I started sighting in yesterday and my dumbass broke one of the mount screws (I can be a little heavy handed sometimes) So now I am waiting on new mount screws for it.

It looks to be well built, light, small, handy. I like it so far, but have not really put it to the test yet. This is the one I have on the bottom rifle.



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I am just wondering if I am looking for a sight for longer range shooting out to 250 yards if I am better off with a tube style scope?
 
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I actually own three aimpoints.

but in this discussion only two of them are relevant
Both are the older Aimpoint2000 model.

One of them is "Scout mounted" on a Hastings paradox rifled barrel on a Remington 870Magnum that I set up for
hunting whitetails in heavy brush. I draw a blank on figuiring out what firearm would be a better tool for this application.... certainly the sight is the best at FAST aquisition of a moving target at close range.

The OTHER 2000 I have is mounted to an M1 Carbine.
In dim light and close quarters shooting varmints
(either four legged canids or two legged vermin)
I again can't think of anything better...

The 2000 was their first power efficient model that would actually run on a couple button cells... with an adapter
The thing is I removed and subsequently lost that "adapter"
but I don't miss it a bit....

Why? because the battery chamber is sized to accomodate a 2/3A lithium battery... remember that one of these will run a surefire flashlight, think how long one will last powering a tiny red LED?

the newer models are functionally identical to the 2000 but they've managed to make them even more power efficient
and compact.


Is it parallax free? Couldn't tell you for sure but the first weekend I had it on the 12ga I was able to bounce a bowling pin into the air and strike it a second time before it could hit the ground... I did this several times with my brother and uncle as witnesses.

I've seen them both speechless before but never at the same time....

My uncle bought an aimpoint for his woods gun
(a 444Marlin) the following day.

My brother who has a far more extensive battery than mine always seems to find an excuse to borrow my 870
when I'm not going to be using it... infact he's killed more deer with it than I have.

Those who make disparaging remarks about red dot sights have never really used one.... or were using it for something other than their intended application.

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I have seen the value and efficiency of a red dot first hand but only in a CQB senario. I just need to get something on my gun, hit the range, and get some confidence in the new sight. Right now I am leaning towards picking up an Ultradot since the price is reasonable and going with that. Just wish there was a place that I could try the different brands before purchasing.
 
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For anyone that is interested the Ultradot A/V that I purchased on Whitworths recommendation is a very neat little rig. I broke one of the mounting screws (over tighten) and had a few days to wait before getting one. I decided to test the battery. I am always concerned about battery on these things. So I turned it on to the #2 position and left it on, checking it everyday. On day 9 it started to get dim--on day 10 it was a little to dim to be able to use. So on one $2.50 battery one can at the least get a 7 day hunt in without ever turning the unit off. Interesting. The unit I bought sits a little high for use on most of my bolt guns, but sits perfect for a flat top AR which is where this one will end up.

Not an Aimpoint that one can turn on for a year, but it does not cost as much as an Aimpoint either! I have several Aimpoints and like them, but the little Ultradot looks pretty good to me, thanks Whitworth again.

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You are welcome. Glad to hear it is working out for you. My biggest concern was the ability to handle the recoil generated by these big revolvers. BFR (Magnum Research) recommends the Ultradots because they can stand the abuse. I broke the first set of rings I used due to recoil, but the unit has held up without a hiccup. As far as batteries are concerned, I have hunted extensively with mine for two years plus, and I am on the original batteries. You never leave them on anyhow, especially if you are stand hunting. When you hear movement, you turn it on.



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