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I'm having fits trying to make a decision.
I have a Rem. 700BDL in 30-06 and I am thinking about having the chamber reamed to 300WM. The bolt face will also need some work too but that's not a big deal. Am I crazy for thinking about this or is this a reasonable conversion. I have a lighter caliber rifle for deer and antelope so this is going to be a dedicated elk rifle. Will the 22" barrel be a problem for the mag. round? Any input would be greatly appreciated!
 
Posts: 180 | Location: Northern Colorado, USA | Registered: 26 March 2002Reply With Quote
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EC,
No your not crazy for thinking. I had the same dilemma only I wanted a 30-338Mag(338WM nk'd down to 30cal). A 22" bbl seems too short for the 300WM, lots of blast, reduced velocity. I opted to have my 700 action rebarreled with a 24.5" Lilja stainless barrel. The smith swapped me bolts for a nominal fee(one with a magnum boltface) I picked up my 700 action for $150.00 bucks so I'm not into it too much. And I will have a decent tube. Smith says it should be done in May or June. sure-shot
 
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I have also thought about a modified 30-338WM. I was going to turn the belt off and improve the shoulder to 40 deg. but too much hassle,and money, to have a new reamer ground. I already have the 300WM dies as I have owned one in the past but a friend wanted it to much and I couldn'd take the whining anymore! I have thought of a complete rebarrel job but for the money I could get one off the shelf new. The 22" barrel is a bit of a concern but not so much as to a rebarrel! I hunt in an area where there may be 400yd.+ shots and the 06' poops out much past 325yds.
Anyway, that's my reasoning!
Elk Country

 
Posts: 180 | Location: Northern Colorado, USA | Registered: 26 March 2002Reply With Quote
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A) Get closer. Honest 400yd. shots at elk are iffy unless you practice a lot at those ranges.
B) If you think you need more gun, get a bigger gun throwing larger bullets. A .338-06 will throw 175gr-250gr. bullets at pretty good velocities, and does not require anything more than a re-barrel (or re-bore).
C)Sell the '06 and buy a .33 of your choosing.

George

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Posts: 14623 | Location: San Antonio, TX | Registered: 22 May 2001Reply With Quote
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George,
I would love to get closer but it's very difficult where we hunt. Very open and flat with patches of trees. I passed a shot up on a cow last year at a lasered 412yds. My tag went unfilled because I wasn't confident with the 06' at that range. Could not get closer because of the terrain. You would think we are hunting antelope but it's elk country for sure!
As for selling the gun, I inhereted it from my dad and can't sell it for emotional reasons, but I can alter it with no problem.
Kinda' funny how those things work!
Thanks for the suggestions though.
Elk Country
 
Posts: 180 | Location: Northern Colorado, USA | Registered: 26 March 2002Reply With Quote
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Don't do it. Here's why:

(1) The 22" barrel is too short for the .300 magnum rechambering to give you a meaningful improvement in velocity.

(2) You have to rework the bolt face.

(3) You have to alter the magazine feed rails.

(4) You have to get a longer magazine box (if you want to take advantage of the magnum cartridge) and a wider box (if you want more than two shells to fit in the magazine), which probably means altering the magazine cut in the stock.

(5) You will need a new magazine follower.

(6) With the cost of all of this, you could pick up a pretty decent used .300 or even a .338 Winchester during the off season.

Besides, if you do all of this, your daddy's gun has been screwed with to the point that it no longer holds the sentiment that it did.

 
Posts: 13263 | Location: Henly, TX, USA | Registered: 04 April 2001Reply With Quote
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Contrary to the other posters opinion you should be able to get by with swapping bolts if you rebarrel. I would not alter your current boltface. Go to the Remington website and compare the part #s. You only own two big game rifles why not gain the maximum potential out of each- this means building it right! Start with a custom barrel- after you see the accuracy and velocity you will will be much happier you spent the extra dough on a custom barrel. A good shooting rifle(along with practice) will instill the confidence you will need for those 400yd elk shots. I'm not trying to promote anyones business or products but I would give Truman Wilson out of Delta, CO a call. I have references on this 'smith- he's good. 970-874-3030. You may want to consider the 338WinMag. Shooting 200-210gr bullets with a 12twist barrel will give you excellent results on long range elk. I'm going to assemble one soon for a friend, we are gathering the components right now. E-mail me if you like for more info. sure-shot
 
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If the 30/06 shoots well then it makes no sense to take it apart. Either sell it or keep it for another purpose and get a ready made 300 magnum.

You will save money and the 300 you get will be worth more than a made up rifle.

 
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I agree with Don or at least rebarrel it with a 26" barrel..you gain little with a 22" 300 WM over an 06.. As a matter of fact you can shoot some of the new enhanced ammo from Hornady and Federal and duplicate the 300 with your 06....

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I agree with George take a look at the 338-06- 180 gr at 3000 and I'm getting 2900 out of the 200 gr Nosler BT.It will take alot of work and money to convert your rifle to a mag. Also check with Fred Zeglin at ZHAT about his Hawk cart.
 
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I agree with George take a look at the 338-06- 180 gr at 3000 and I'm getting 2900 out of the 200 gr Nosler BT.It will take alot of work and money to convert your rifle to a mag. Also check with Fred Zeglin at ZHAT.com about his Hawk cart.
 
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For the time and money spent you can buy a very nice 300 mag have two rifles twice the fun less head aches and save money.
 
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I agree with most of you here in respect to the reduced gain over the 06 with a 22" barrel. You will still gain considerably and I would opt for a 24" in most cases. The gain from 24 to 26 becomes a lot smaller than the shorter lengths (law of diminishing returns kicking in). Sell the 06 and buy a .300 win mag. Oops, missed the part about not selling it. Buy the 300 or do the job with a new barrel, or look on gun list for a Remington take off barrel in .300 and have that fitted, have the bolt modified (lot cheaper than a new one), new follower, magazine box is the same as 06, and have a smith make it feed.

The question I have in this day and age is why go with a 30/.338 win mag? I have a reamer for it because I acquired it with a large number of them. It was a very popular wild cat after the .338 came out and before the .300 emerged in 63. But what possible gain does it have over a .300 Winchester. I know one fellow here locally who had one done recently and he could give me no plausible explanation. Wildcats are like last winters dog poop pile when it comes to getting rid of them. Well not quite that bad but you just drastically cut your market.

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Originally posted by Customstox:
I agree with most of you here in respect to the reduced gain over the 06 with a 22" barrel. You will still gain considerably and I would opt for a 24" in most cases. The gain from 24 to 26 becomes a lot smaller than the shorter lengths (law of diminishing returns kicking in). Sell the 06 and buy a .300 win mag. Oops, missed the part about not selling it. Buy the 300 or do the job with a new barrel, or look on gun list for a Remington take off barrel in .300 and have that fitted, have the bolt modified (lot cheaper than a new one), new follower, magazine box is the same as 06, and have a smith make it feed.

The question I have in this day and age is why go with a 30/.338 win mag? I have a reamer for it because I acquired it with a large number of them. It was a very popular wild cat after the .338 came out and before the .300 emerged in 63. But what possible gain does it have over a .300 Winchester. I know one fellow here locally who had one done recently and he could give me no plausible explanation. Wildcats are like last winters dog poop pile when it comes to getting rid of them. Well not quite that bad but you just drastically cut your market.

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For most shooters the 300Win is more practical, but I am not like most shooters. I researched this wildcat on several different forums and several smiths. Here is what I came up with and yes all these points are debatable so have at it to prove your manhood:

1 Less recoil

2 Handles the longer bullets easier

3 Inherently accurate.

4 A simple wildcat, brass is cheap and available

5 I like some wildcats

Now if you disagree, give Chris at Pac-Nor Barreling(541-469-7330) and talk it over with him. Chris, his son and all the shop employees shoot this old wildcat as their primary elk gun every fall. I feel this speaks for the cartridge. sure-shot

P.S. I don't worry about re-sale value, if the cartridge sucks I'll rebarrel or rechamber - its not a problem.

 
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I remember once an uncle of mine, who was a fine scholar and gentlemen with several degrees to back his speach. His words of wisdom to me were "Always take heed of the wise old man that has time to share his words with you" I won't mention any names, because its a NO BRAINER.
 
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Wow!!
I didn't want to start a big argument!
Over the weekend a friend and I were discussing the topic of conversion and he suggested I try the Hornady light mag. I'm not a big boattail bullet fan for big game hunting as I have heard from very experienced hunters they don't hold together well. What if I pull the boattails and insert a flat base or even a Grand Slam (180gr.)?? Has anyone taken any game with them and what are the Light Mags. chronying for you?
 
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I once chrony'd the lightmags in my 30'06. I was getting the same velocity with my handloads. Don't rechamber. Either buy the rifle you want and keep the '06 or sell the '06. But, everybody NEEDS an '06! The velocity gained from the SM doesn't justify the work/expense. Go to the Weatherby if you like the 30 cal. or go larger if you need more energy, like a .338 or .35 or 9.3(.366). The .375 Ouch&Ouch makes a good elk rifle.FWIW.
 
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