Please take note of what is happening here in New Zealand.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?fe...utu.be&v=Zx7W0VkjwMk

That's all well and good

But not all of the gun owners of the USA will fold to a turn in.

If compliance with state requirements and "bans" (CT, NJ, CA, etc) is an indication, most semiautos are not being registered. Owners of multiple examples are probably registering one item, so to facilitate public range time.

Silly regulations just embolden people. Compliance with bumpstock bans has been near zero, as with the recent NJ magazine ban.

About one full century ago the US learned, or should have learned, something about bans. The only people who did not consume alcohol during Prohibition were those who did not wish to consume alcohol.

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Please take note of what is happening here in New Zealand.

We have been told by several to mind our own business when it comes to the New Zealand ban.

The gun rights community in the US is very aware of the tactics used by the anti's in other countries.

As long as dingbat people keep voting for dingbat politicians (Warren, Pelosi, AOC, etc),
our 2d Amendment rights will be slowly chipped away.

Most of the younger people (below 40) in our country are more interested in video games, weed, and rap music than they are in hunting or target shooting.

That is just the way it is.

BH63

But it is happening here. Just recently moved out of the communist republik of California. The insidious gun laws there are the primary reason I moved. Even though we fought all those idiotic bans on waiting periods, certain types of firearms, magazine restrictions, etc. the urban masses out voted us at the polls every time.
You need to fight it wherever you live. If Trump gets beaten in 2020, God help us.

Thought I just recently saw the compliance with the gun "turn in" in NZ was around 1%?

The US has spun outta control with this new wave of people that have to make every single issue their own problem. Conservatives tend to "live and let live" but this new breed of liberals won't shut their stupid traps until they force everyone to agree with their emotional line of horseshit on every issue. Who the hell knows where we're headed here.

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Originally posted by Blacktailer:
But it is happening here. Just recently moved out of the communist republik of California. The insidious gun laws there are the primary reason I moved.

You are not alone, I know several recreational shooters who've moved in retirement. That increases the percentage of liberals as conservatives move.

We've lost at least two of our best local rifle shops to onerous regulation; they were straight arrow FFLs but had had enough of paperwork and new rules.

You hit the nail on the head with "urban masses". They will be the deciding factor in gun ownership and eventually hunting in this country. People who are disconnected and allowed to vote on things they have no first hand knowledge of other than what they are fed through the media..... didn't we fight a war over something very similar one time?

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Originally posted by Blacktailer:
But it is happening here. Just recently moved out of the communist republik of California. The insidious gun laws there are the primary reason I moved. Even though we fought all those idiotic bans on waiting periods, certain types of firearms, magazine restrictions, etc. the urban masses out voted us at the polls every time.
You need to fight it wherever you live. If Trump gets beaten in 2020, God help us.

And you wont fight maybe if you wont fight you dont deserve it

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Originally posted by TOP_PREDATOR:
Please take note of what is happening here in New Zealand.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?fe...utu.be&v=Zx7W0VkjwMk

Respectfully, not possible in the USA.
I wouldn't say D.C. won't outlaw guns, but compliance in many States will be zero.
I actually own few semi autos and no assault rifles, but a firearm ban in Alaska will be met with no success. I'm not being arrogant, that's just the way folks around here are.
Google "firearm sanctuary cities" it's funny.

Truthfully, I'm not the slightest bit worried about my 2nd Amendment freedoms.

How many ar members are willing to manufacture sears to make full auto assault rifles ?

Serve as straw buyers for firearms ?

Willing to manufacture and sell suppressors outside of nfa laws ?

Willing to create class 3 sbr by adding a $30 stock to a pistol brace ?

Willing to ship large capacity magazines overseas?

Take serial numbers of firearms ?

Manufacture unregistered ar lowers ?

These are all laws put in by the federal government. Anyone willing to break them today ?

Why would anyone not willing to break current federal firearms laws suddenly develop a hankering and 2nd amendment backbone to break new firearms regulatory laws?

When the federal government who wins 98-99 percent of cases and has Mandatory sentencing rules changes laws - majority of law abiding people follow even if they don’t like the new laws. That is just how things are.

Mike

How many are dumb enough to talk about it on a open forum.

Doesn't seem like many

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:


These are all laws put in by the federal government. Anyone willing to break them today ?

Why would anyone not willing to break current federal firearms laws suddenly develop a hankering and 2nd amendment backbone to break new firearms regulatory laws?

When the federal government who wins 98-99 percent of cases and has Mandatory sentencing rules changes laws - majority of law abiding people follow even if they don’t like the new laws. That is just how things are.

Mike

It takes a massive groundswell ie.strength in numbers for people to risk everything. The only way this will end well is if there is something akin to another civil war. Do you not think the left knows exactly what they're doing by supporting uncontrolled illegal immigration under the facade of asylum?

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Originally posted by Norton:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:


These are all laws put in by the federal government. Anyone willing to break them today ?

Why would anyone not willing to break current federal firearms laws suddenly develop a hankering and 2nd amendment backbone to break new firearms regulatory laws?

When the federal government who wins 98-99 percent of cases and has Mandatory sentencing rules changes laws - majority of law abiding people follow even if they don’t like the new laws. That is just how things are.

Mike

It takes a massive groundswell ie.strength in numbers for people to risk everything. The only way this will end well is if there is something akin to another civil war. Do you not think the left knows exactly what they're doing by supporting uncontrolled illegal immigration under the facade of asylum?

But a slowly boiled pot will not do anything.

It’s easy to see what the us government does when someone challenges its authority especially within its own soil.

Ask Timothy McVeigh, Boston bombers, David Korean ect how it turned out.

When Democrats comes and eventually they will come and impose gun control on federal level nothing will happen but gun control.

The problem the gun control folks have to deal with is the massive amount of firearms already in the system. The only think they can realistically do is prevent manufacture of more and put existing in a very complex nfa like regulatory structure.

Anyone wants to see what a civil war looks like and how it ends - try one carrying an ar in Times Square.

Mike

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
How many are dumb enough to talk about it on a open forum.

Doesn't seem like many

Cause there are few.

Ar at its core is full of rich (or relatively rich) people with expensive hobbies. They are least likely to shake the institutional tree.

Look at how many ar members were willing to sign up under a regulatory structure to be weapons exporters to take with guns to Africa to hunt with. I did cause for a brief while in 2015 that is what the law required.

Mike

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by Norton:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:


These are all laws put in by the federal government. Anyone willing to break them today ?

Why would anyone not willing to break current federal firearms laws suddenly develop a hankering and 2nd amendment backbone to break new firearms regulatory laws?

When the federal government who wins 98-99 percent of cases and has Mandatory sentencing rules changes laws - majority of law abiding people follow even if they don’t like the new laws. That is just how things are.

Mike

It takes a massive groundswell ie.strength in numbers for people to risk everything. The only way this will end well is if there is something akin to another civil war. Do you not think the left knows exactly what they're doing by supporting uncontrolled illegal immigration under the facade of asylum?

But a slowly boiled pot will not do anything.

It’s easy to see what the us government does when someone challenges its authority especially within its own soil.

Ask Timothy McVeigh, Boston bombers, David Korean ect how it turned out.

When Democrats comes and eventually they will come and impose gun control on federal level nothing will happen but gun control.

The problem the gun control folks have to deal with is the massive amount of firearms already in the system. The only think they can realistically do is prevent manufacture of more and put existing in a very complex nfa like regulatory structure.

Anyone wants to see what a civil war looks like and how it ends - try one carrying an ar in Times Square.

Mike

I don't think you know what your talking about. It isn't a matter of manufacturing, selling, transporting, selling over seas or any of that, it's a matter of the rest of America that isn't in Times Square turning in or giving up what the possess in many cases off the books, in registered, not licensed, not traceable.
They just won't.
Your Hallowed federal prohibitions on alcohol and drugs certainly didn't.

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Originally posted by ted thorn:
That's all well and good

But not all of the gun owners of the USA will fold to a turn in.

Open your eyes... its already happening on a state by state basis..

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Originally posted by Pa.Frank:
Open your eyes... its already happening on a state by state basis..

If by "its" you mean laws passing, then yes.

If by "its" you mean compliance, then no. If anything, compliance is diminishing with the passage of each law. Eg., VT bumpstocks = 2, MA = 1, NJ = 0. And the NJ mag ban garnered just about zero mags.

Yeah, they all left the state. No doubt. Definitely.

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Originally posted by Pa.Frank:

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Originally posted by ted thorn:
That's all well and good

But not all of the gun owners of the USA will fold to a turn in.

Open your eyes... its already happening on a state by state basis..

Try reading my statement again.....open your eyes

The day that Congress passes a confiscation bill will be the day that the 2nd American revolution begins.

Wstrn, I hope your confidence is warranted.
I'd like to get to use my .458 Socom upper ...

The USA is unlike The UK or its subsidiaries.We threw off the yokes of oppression and went our own way.None of the other colonies had enough balls to do so.Now they suffer the consequences of being subservient to an antiquated Monarchy and leftist Government .No,we will never be like you and are the better for it.OB

Ask yourself, just exactly what was it that got the patriots shooting, at Concord Bridge?

After years of "taxation without representation" and all manner of trampling of rights, finally the shooting started there and then.

Let's hope it doesn't come down to violence.

Anyway, the numbers don't work.
X number of gunowners/ gunclub members.
X number of firearms in private hands today.
X number of AR's in production or on shelves,
X number of firearms available for legal or illegal importation to the USA,......
It's insurmountable.
As they found with bottled beer cocaine and illegal immigrants, it's not stoppable.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Let's hope it doesn't come down to violence.

Anyway, the numbers don't work.
X number of gunowners/ gunclub members.
X number of firearms in private hands today.
X number of AR's in production or on shelves,
X number of firearms available for legal or illegal importation to the USA,......
It's insurmountable.
As they found with bottled beer cocaine and illegal immigrants, it's not stoppable.

Fear the Government that fears your guns. Yea, violence is never a good thing. But I seriously dont think Americans will tolerate Federal confiscation. And yet that seems to be where it all is leading too. Who know where we will be 10-20 years from now?

My how relevant now. Unbelievable!

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Originally posted by gunslinger55:
My how relevant now. Unbelievable!

You have to put it in perspective.30 good people were shot or killed and that is horrible.Yet 50 people shot in Chicago over the normal weekend , with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the USA is not even a byline in the MSM.That the Ohio shooter was a fan of Fauxahantus and Bernie Sanders is not mentioned either.I think AR confiscation is just a lefty wet dream.

Well I see where Trump has folded to the pressure of El Paso, and calling for gun legislation..No matter how minor any legislation is like a cancer it grows and grows over time...I feel Trump turned on us this time..We'll see! I know the NRA has sorta warned him..Hell he is just another damn politician, goes where the wind blows the hardest..I should have known.

If you took every gun in the USA and destroyed them, people would use dynamite to make their point, it that didn't work they would use a soup bowl..

Trump still wants to unite both sides. Impossible! The only way to fight the (D)s is to vote them out of existence.