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Jagter, please tell me you aren't trying to say "moment of inertia" doesn't exist. That would be a statement of ignorance. | |||
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Jon A, decide for yourself - read this article. OWLS My Africa, with which I will never be able to live without! | |||
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It's not up to me to decide any more than it is for area, mass or length. You don't know what the term means (it actually has a couple depending upon context). You don't have much of an Engineering background, do you? | |||
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Hey Jon A, It does seem you have alf, jageter, mark young, etc. figured out. They are clueless! | |||
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Did I hear a noise out there in the dark? | |||
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Alf, since you say:
I am not going to answer your question and quote formulae for the points above right now. I've requested Ethan Skyler himself to reply to me, but since he is fairly tied up in his own and new business establishing for his son at present, it may take some time for him to come back to us. Patience please! In the meantime, think about this one: The formula for: Distance travelled = Miles per hour x time travelled. All three these units in the above formula are man-invented rating systems, namely distance, mph and time - no doubt about that! As we have already seen out of Skylers' work man-invented rating systems can not cause any event!!! What caused the movement that took place from point A to B since some distance was travelled here? Highlight lines after this line - Does formulae always tell us what caused the event that took place or do we have to use other means and methods to arrive at a logical answer? OWLS My Africa, with which I will never be able to live without! | |||
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If I were the judge I would have still fined Ethan Skyler. Reason: He simply applied more acceleration/Action force to his car than what is allowed by the man laid down laws in the area where he travelled. Nothing has changed in this 'man made derivations' world both you and Skyler live in, although the fact that an a/A force was mentioned we know now what caused the event of a speed limit that was exceeded according to the laws laid down. Major difference, isn't it? OWLS My Africa, with which I will never be able to live without! | |||
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In response to the orginal thread title.... I don't worship at the altar of ft/lbs energy, on the other hand.... ** I enjoy having plenty of energy on impact (versus a shortage) ** Medium velocities have a lot to be said for them, though if you are "reaching out there" hyper-velocities have merit ** "Heavy for caliber" premium bullets are heart warming (penetration) ** Large frontal cross section calibers give a harder "thump" It is all a trade off of factors. ---------------------------------- Never Go Undergunned, Always Check The Sight In, Perform At Show Time. Good judgment comes from bad experience! Learn from the mistakes of others as you won't live long enough to make them all yourself! | |||
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After quite some time a reply to Alf's question above re 'mathematical derivations' (formulae) and Jon A's remark re 'Engineering background'. The following link will take you to an article which may finally help you to get a clear understanding of the cause of events in hunting. OWLS My Africa, with which I will never be able to live without! | |||
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And that has exactly what to do with "moment of inertia" being some sort of myth? Dick, that's what. Maybe you should be looking for texts named Mechanics of Materials or Materials Engineering or any of a few thousand physics texts. I don't get my Engineering expertise from internet hunting pages...thank God. | |||
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With your engineering background it should be a piece of cake! OWLS My Africa, with which I will never be able to live without! | |||
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Jagter, I'm not sure if you're really this, uhm...slow, or if you're putting me on for some sort of entertainment purpose. Claiming something doesn't exist while displaying clearly you don't know the meaning of the thing you're claiming doesn't exist is an odd way to pass the time in my opinion. Here's a hint: When used in the term "moment of inertia" the word "moment" does not denote a point in time. Nor does it have anything to do with time. The word has other meanings, you know. Maybe you should look them up, open your mind and figure out which applies to this context. The term can also have zero to do with inertia or even mass. When you see those silly words like "cross sectional" in front of it, that's usually a good indication. I'm trying to be nice here, but as somebody educated in these subjects who uses these terms every day in the analysis of structure of jet airplanes, it's hard not to get annoyed while arguing with the uneducated. Much like the guy who finds energy isn't the absolute, complete and total indication of terminal performance and therefore desides it "doesn't exist." That it's simply a term that gunwriters "made up," because that's the only place he has read about it. Yeah, sure. [I'm not refering to anybody specifically in this thread, but the search function will turn up many such statements.] Claiming terms, the very meaning of which you don't understand, don't exist because you don't understand them is fine if it makes you happy. Just know it causes everybody with more than a high-school education in the subjects to chuckle, roll back his eyes and put anything you ever say from that point forward as highly suspect. | |||
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Right on the nose Jon A. --- It seems that a few folks, jagter included, got their Ballistic Education at the: "alf Institute of no first-hand experience" Pitiful! | |||
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Jon A, as to who is really "uhm...slow", I think you already know the answer after having read the specific article above already twice and still not getting it. Try again. Who knows, maybe you're lucky the third time round! Só, decide for yourself who is really educated and who not. As far as I'm concerned, your ability to judge for yourself and make what you've learned over the years applicable in practice, is already highly suspect. Thus frustrating rather than entertaining! OWLS My Africa, with which I will never be able to live without! | |||
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Jon A, also something more about your 'moment of inertia' as explained by Ethan Skyler:
OWLS My Africa, with which I will never be able to live without! | |||
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OK. So semantics is what's important. I see. What you've been saying all this time is akin to saying that Hot Dogs do not exist. When you buy them at the store, they're cold. And they aren't really made from dogs are they? Nevermind the term has been defined as describing exactly those "cold processed meat sticks" you buy at the store to everybody for as long as we can remember, let's claim that the meat sticks themselves do not exist because of a semantical arguement over the appropriateness of their name! What a waste of time. Tell me, what does this Skyler kid actually do for a living besides post on the internet? How many structures or machines has he designed while ignoring moments of inertia in all its various forms? I'll bet they worked out really well. What sort of peer reviewed works has he published anywhere but his own web blog? What sort of experiments has he conducted to back up statements like this?
Hawking must really blow this kid's mind.... | |||
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Jon A, since "inertia" is so real as Hot Dogs for you, just answer these easy questions: How much does your own "inertia" weigh, what size is it and what force can it withstand? Once you have determined the above, please tell us how you did go about to get the answers? OWLS My Africa, with which I will never be able to live without! | |||
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How many gallons tall are you? How many meters do you weigh? Really dumb questions, right? The inertias I deal with every day come with units of inches to the fourth power. Has nothing to do with weight and alone cannot tell you how much force anything can withstand (although it is a big part of how you find that out). | |||
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In your own words, kid:
Once again:
You should really stand on a cliff's edge and get somebody to push you unexpectedly - sincerely hope your own 'inertia' will keep you from falling to your untimely death! OWLS My Africa, with which I will never be able to live without! | |||
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Alf, ou seun: First of all just this, the only and single one item that Ethan Skyler has ever questioned about Newton's work is his ridiculous definition of 'inertia' which he, Newton himself, has never, ever used in any of his other works - although he defined it! The rest of Newton's work is exactly what all Skyler's work is based on plus other classical physicists like Galileo, etc. Hopefully you will now understand what I said to you earlier in another thread:
And I would now like to add: what I refer you to, to read - I simply think you don't do that! It is clear from your persistent standpoint re 'inertia' in your posts, not being able to judge for yourself anything new and far more logical brought up by people like Ethan Skyler. However, here is Wikipedia's view of 'inertia' you referred me to:
Ethan Skyler's view of it - just an introductory discussion:
Now, both you and Jon A can take the trouble to read the rest of Ethan Skyler's article on the imaginary 'inertia' which he proved by experiment as well, to be non-existent. Follow this link. Hopefully you, Jon A and the rest of the world will learn something from this like I did. OWLS My Africa, with which I will never be able to live without! | |||
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Just checking, as I am just a fairly new hunter down here in the south. If I shoot a deer, placing the shot in the vitals, will the deer die? I used to think that this was the case, but since I don't know what will happen to the deer's 'moments of inertia', I am no longer sure. I was feeling pretty good about a 180 grain Woodleigh out of my Enfield being a viable whitetail round,but now............... | |||
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