hi im new to this forum, and i already have a question for you guys. I recently broke the tasco world class scope on my 30.06. I bought it because it looked as good or better opticly then my VarixII, but it leaves much to be desired in the durability department. I think i will take the varixII 3x9 off my 300 and put on it. As time allows and i can afford it (im a college student so moneys tight) i would like to put a nice scope on my 300. I hear a lot about the weaver grand slam, but i wonder if it has enough eye relief for a 300 mag? Also i am posting here because a lot of you guys have much larger rifles then my 300, so i figure you guys know better than most what a tough and durable scope is. To be honest toughness and durability are as imporatant to me as clarity. So my question is should i get a grand slam for $250, or wait a year and only hunt with one rifle until i can afford the varixIII 3.5-10x40 or the new Ziess conquest 3-9x40? Both of these are $450-500. The Ziess is the new inexpensive american line, should i expect it to be as good as the lueopold as far as durability? Eye relief is 4.5 on the leupold and 4 on the Ziess. thanks
Posts: 107 | Location: Tigard, Oregon USA | Registered: 02 May 2001
You already andswer you own ? You brought one cheap scope that did not work why would you buy another one. I don't buy any thing less then a Burris or lueopold. Had to much trouble with the other ones. Wait the year you can buy a cheaper one but in the end you well spent the money on the better one and still be out what you spent the first place.
Posts: 19653 | Location: wis | Registered: 21 April 2001
well i guess the question is- the weaver has good reviews, some put it on the same level as the varixIII's. do you guys believe it? or is it worth it to pay twice the money for a known scope like luepold. And for a little more than that i can get the cheaper Ziess, but i have no idea if its better than the luepold.
Posts: 107 | Location: Tigard, Oregon USA | Registered: 02 May 2001
quote:Originally posted by SeanD: well i guess the question is- the weaver has good reviews, some put it on the same level as the varixIII's. do you guys believe it? or is it worth it to pay twice the money for a known scope like luepold. And for a little more than that i can get the cheaper Ziess, but i have no idea if its better than the luepold.
There is a very recent post on shooters.com regarding this very issue that Chris at SWFA addressed for me. You might find it informative. As a matter of fact I spent the better part of an hour yesterday comparing Leupold, Nikon, Sightron,Whitetail Expedition and the Weaver Grand Slam. My own subjective findings were that the Weaver is every bit as bright as a VXIII, and as bright as the Sightron. What I liked about both the Weaver and the Whitetail was the eas of use in terms of focus and the clarity and brightness. I live in Western Colorado and am considering either the Weaver or the Whitetail for a scope on a 300 WM for use in elk hunting. Like you I am very concerned about durability. I think that Chris' comments are very informative. Hope this helps and best regards.
Sean, your good rifle is good only if you have good scope on it. Most hunters and shutters put a big $ into their rifle, then try fine cheep scope. I was there to. Wrong. I thing is backwards. If im you I will save money and buy good one. Will be your pay of on the end. Leupold or Zeiss-made in US? I do not use them any more, I use Schmidt&Bender, but I will pick up any time Leupold then Zeiss made in US. Zeiss US is not better than Leupold-just my opinion. If you like, I may help you with low price on S&B scopes. Please do not take this, like I like to sell,I like to help and remember-haw you can shoot it if you can't see it or scope das not hold zero. Good luck! KP
KAREL- WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR THE SCHMIDT&BENDER. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE (I THINK). CAN YOU EDUCATE ME ON THEM ? I AM NEW TO THIS SITE. I THINK THAT I AM GOING TO LIKE IT. THANKS MD
Posts: 1899 | Location: Alaska | Registered: 03 May 2001
MD, you pick up very good side and guys here try help with they expiriance.I learn a lot from here and got help making my decision, but last call is yours. You pick up wrong educator. Only what I can do for you is send by email scopes specifications and avalibity,but this you can see on S&B webside. www.shmidtbender.com KP
Personal opinion. Save for two years and get a the Leupold LPS 2.5-10 fixed objective. I love the LPSs I own. The 3.5-14 has an AO....I rather hunt without AO.
Also Kahles offers a fine scope 2-7 in the K series for under $500. Hell of a scope actually. There K-series 3-9 is about a hundred more.
For a big drop in price, Sightron ain't bad. But where I say LPS and Kahles, I have a lot of experience with them. As for Sightron, I have only mounted and used one, it looks good, holds it zero, changes thru powers well, I'd call it very clear. They are a bargain if they all live up to my 3-12 with a fixed objective.
Good Luck
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Do you and your gun a favor. Save up and get a good scope. I have not seen the Zeiss conquest yet, but thet would not put their name on anything that sucked. Think of it as a long term investment. You will pay more for a good scope, but you will have it and enjoy it longer, with better quality. Adios. Corey
I have had real good luck with Bausch & Lomb Elite 4200 scopes. Have used them on 30-06, 338 Win and .270 Wby and never had any durability problems with recoil. Clarity is comparible to my Leupold Vari XIII. Price is about $200 less.
Hi-Ahoj PK-Petre, I think this power is OK for your style of hunting in Czech rep. You know im from there to. For Sean is better Variable, because is more versatile, special for him if he is short of money. This 7x50 must be Czech Meopta. I will send you email about Meopta service. It is ....! My father in law will have- maybe- that 20-60x75 Meopta spotting scope for me. He will be here next month and stay for two. I have one more tag for bear, so you cam over to and hunt with as. Mnej se-Take care, KP-Karel
Hi Karel-Ahoj Karle It's nice to hear from you again. I had sent you an email in czech, but you probably didn't get it. Well, I think, the variable scopes 3-9x40 are not bad. My own experience is, that when I used this kind of scope, I used only 6x magnification and I needn't to change it. The 300 is really strong caliber, good for long range, so, I think, Sean will use it mostly for long range and the ideal magnification for long range is 6x - 8x. (7x is just between those two Looking forward to your reply. Take care about you!
Petr Kozma
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The B&L 4200 2.5x10 is an excellent scope, also the Burris Fullfield II series are very good quality/durability versus $ spent. I don't think you can go wrong with Burris, Leupold, Nikon, B&L 4200 series( now called Bushnell 4200), if you do have trouble Leupold beats everybody on the time it takes for warranty work, with Burris a close second. If you want to spend more money, take a look at Nightforce, they are excellent, a bit on the "big" side, but excellent optics, and some really neat reticles.
Thanks for all the respones. I think i will wait and buy the vari x III 3.5-10x40. Durability is important, as is a company that stands by the product. I also know that leupold donates to the Oregon Hunters association, so i dont mind paying a little more to a company that supports oregon hunting.
Posts: 107 | Location: Tigard, Oregon USA | Registered: 02 May 2001
I'm somewhat where you're at--not much for cash, and busy studying. However, I have a rather..."interesting" collection of firearms going on, and the Winchester .300 is one gun I own in a Sako Deluxe. I have scopes from Leupold, Zeiss, Weaver, etc. As for being durable from the Grand Slam...well <laughs> I have a 3 x 9 mounted on a Wby 460 mag--it seems to like the abuse, and fairs far better than my shoulder muscles. It has held a zero for over 300 rounds. One thing you might want to consider, beings you're using a cartridge capable <if you are> of some fine accuracy out to at least 500-600 yards is magnification. The guys here are right, save your dough, but don't simply buy the most expensive scope...really pay attention to what you're buying. Great clarity or durability won't mean much if you decide to open fire at an animal too far away to see detail. On my .300 I run a 6.5x20 Leupold and it is truly a good scope. I'd say stick to 3.5 x 10 at the very least, but I think you may find the 4-14+ more advantageous and flexible. Leupold, Zeiss...both are good. So is Burris. The only thing against Zeiss that I have...they need more reticle styles! And when you do buy...make sure you shop around online...it PAYS, bigtime!
