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I've hunted some of the country T's talking about; the Silicon Valley guys don't know it's there, and it's too damn chilly for their sort if they did find it. Landowners in that vicinity changed my mind about hunting private land as well. Didn't meet a grouch the whole time we were up there. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Can someone please explain the use of parachutes? I have no idea what you guys mean..... -+-+- "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - The Dalai Lama | |||
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THis entire thread has me confused!  | |||
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"What is life but the angle of vision? A man is measured by the angle at which he looks at objects. Ralph Waldo Emerson | |||
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TomP, thanks for droppin in and giving us some insight on your Montana hunting. As you confirmed I thought all the rich Hollywood types would find the northern parts a little chilly for their liking. FYI, S. Texas was like that part of N. Montana as early back as the mid-80's. So it has taken us just twenty years to move from hunting on "friends" land to paying $10+/ac to hunt the same land. Well guess what? Cattle ranching is still a bust as it always has been BUT deer ranchers are now being able to pay upwards of $1500-$2000 ac for the same cattle ranch land that struggled to support $200 ac ranch land. I for one cannot fault the American Dream - money, money, money just follow the money. Certainly hard on the hunter who was raised to hunt for sharing his venison w/friendly landowner. Enjoy N. Montana while you can as your day is acomin! | |||
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I'll be happy too. It is a common technique in western states to use an engine powered parachute or "parachute plane" to scout for game animals. They fly low and slow while looking for big deer, elk, etc. I understand that it's not uncommon for the parachute plane pilot to radio hunters on the ground the location of the animal. It's much easier and you can cover more ground than possible the old fashioned way. | |||
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M16: Is a parachute plane the same thing as an Ultralite? | |||
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 And have you seen these parachutes? Were they tracking bigfoot and lochness? Following black helecopters? I guess they might do it in Montana, sounds more like a Texas method. I have never heard of it, or seen it in Wyoming. For one thing, they couldn't fly in the winds or higher elevations! Safely anyway, not to mention if some one seen one, it might just get shot down! I have and do know of outfitters useing a small plane to do the same. If a radio is used after spotting game from said parachute camera or plane. I think you are breaking the law in Wyoming. A parachute plane!!!  | |||
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It might be common for USO and other unethical outfitters, but it's hardly "common" in the general populatoin of hunters. I've hunted large tracts of public land my whole life and have never used a "parachute plane" to find game. That's a silly accusation, one on par with others' contention that all Texans hunt on high fenced bio-engineering farms. There are people pushing the envelope of rational/ethical behavior in all fields, let's not use that small percentage of people to judge our comrades in arms or to degrade the vast majority of real hunters. This whole MT vs. TX vs. SC is bullshit, and I think you guys know it. Whew, that's over. I just couldn't take it any more. I think I'll stay out of this topic from here on out... _____________________ A successful man is one who earns more money than his wife can spend. | |||
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They look fun, I will admit, but I want to see it negotiate the elevations, and wind. | |||
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Yes it is. But all Texas hunters get branded for the actions of a few so I think it's only fair to return the favor. Looks like there are skeletons in everybodies closets.
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SC DNR May 29, 2006 The top typical buck scored in 2006 was a 162 3/8 point buck found dead (road kill) on the Savannah River Site last October in Aiken County. This deer is a new Aiken County typical record and it will qualify for the Boone and Crockett Club’s Three Year Awards Period List. The second highest scoring typical was a 153 5/8 inch Chesterfield County buck taken James Barefoot last December. Manning Lusk’s 187 4/8 point McCormick County buck, taken in December 2004, was tops among non-typical deer. Lusk’s buck is the new non-typical record for McCormick County, the new number four all-time non-typical in South Carolina, and it will also qualify for the Boone and Crockett Club’s Three Year Awards Period List. At 162 1/8 points, the number two non-typical among this year’s entries was taken by David Wannamaker in Calhoun County on Jan. 1, 2006. | |||
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Well there you are KS. Thanks for joining the thread and for posting the info on the SC deer. Hopefully we will get a few more hunters from ya'll's three states to chime in and share their experiences as well. Surely we have at least one MN hunter other than jb? I do know they have some nice deer. | |||
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bobby - evidently, aside from being a whining bitch, you apparently can't read. MG asked folks not to "google up a bunch of internet BS...." | |||
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if you can't tell a typo from an actual misspelling, then you're drunker than i thought. i'd been giving you credit for being someone with a brain. my mistake. | |||
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slug - our little buddy m16 thinks he's using a debate tactic, but unfortunately for him he's going about it like a monkey fucking a football. | |||
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MG - i'll give you credit and appreciation for a good discussion, but i'll still maintain that the sport is being ruined - and it's not just about the money; as i said before, that problem is not confined solely to texas. | |||
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Very weak Tas; If you can't defend your position attack the messenger. The Clinton administration can use you though. | |||
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tasunkawitless wrote:
I forgot to check in with the hall monitor. Damn. Do I have to write lines now??? It seems you are getting a bit defensive since the shoe is now on the other foot. Maybe you need to take a break, get away for a few hours and do some hunting for those hand-fed, alfalfa-fattened whitetails and mulies that are behaviorly-influenced by the crops and come out for breakfast and dinner at the same times every day...  So how does it really work? Do you have to stand in line and set up an appointment to kill one? Are you set up for the 8:15 buck tomorrow? Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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Now, lets discuss some other questionalbe tacticss used in western states. Outfitters and guides go out and hire people to find big deer, elk, etc. Then they have those people basically camp on the animal. Much like a sheepherder with his sheep. And yes this happens on public no fences land. These people use stongarm tactics as well as threats to anyone who comes in the area. The outfitter then call the rich hunter who has bought a high dollar tag. The rich hunter straps on his Rolex, jumps in his Escalade and heads off to the airport to get in his Lear jet. The Outfitter takes takes the rich client along with a film crew and makes the kill. A sad but common occurence on public land no fences areas. | |||
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By the way, Tas, a few years ago, I was chatting with an outfitter based out of Broadus, MT. He tried to sell me on the fact that his guide would have "my" deer patterned and that I'd basically just have to drive up and pop him the very same day. Obviously, I wanted no part of that and did not book with this outfit. To me, that's "canned" hunting -- right there in your great state of Montana...  By the way, do you guys need a special license for that type of "zoo" hunting??? Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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even weaker, m16 - you tried bullshit and got called on it; now you're whining like your girlfriend bobby. sad - | |||
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i agree - these are pretty bad examples of the kind of BS that is going on these days. i don't care if it is happening in montana, texas or timbuktu. that's the difference between us. you clowns justify bullshit just because it is happening within your borders. i am not afraid to call it wrong regardless of where it is happening. | |||
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how is me reminding you of MG's request getting self-defensive? nice try at making shit up - are you a democrat? | |||
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tasunkawitless wrote:
You, my friend, have proven without a doubt that you are an idiot. No one has tried to justify anything. All anyone has tried to do is to get you dumbasses to stop maing blanket generalizations. But you are far too immature to even attempt that... Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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ah, but you have. "it's how we manage OUR deer." "it's how WE do it here." "look at that BIIIIIIG TEXAS BUCK!!!!" if you want to own the "praise," then you have to own the criticisms." you can't have it both ways. mature people know this. mature people also don't take things so personally.... | |||
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T-witless wrote: ah, but you have. "it's how we manage OUR deer." "it's how WE do it here." "look at that BIIIIIIG TEXAS BUCK!!!!" if you want to own the "praise," then you have to own the criticisms." you can't have it both ways. mature people know this. mature people also don't take things so personally.... ---- Wrong again. None of those lines are from me. 'Nuff said. As to maturity, do "mature" people always resort to profanity as you tend to do in many of your posts? Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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i've got to call BS on that. if you haven't been defending the BS, then it seems that you have no dog in this fight, except, as KS said: i didn't think i was talking to you, but if you were offended, then i guess i was. i'd be more than willing to "drop hostilities" and start with a clean slate. the question is, are you? your attempt to squelch free speech indicates that you aren't, but i would be more than glad to be wrong about that. it may not be good manners to use profanity, but then again, if you're not showing good manners to me, then i feel no obligation to show any to you. | |||
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I'd be glad to start with a clean slate as long as you don't again resort to the name-calling and petty comments. But if you want to sling mud, then so can I. You've made some valid points in these threads, but your stand-offish presentation tends to detract from anything you might have succeeded in conveying. Deal? Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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it's a deal, but we;ve got to seal it properly.... . . . . .  | |||
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(as long as it's Shiner beer.)Actually, I haven't had a drop of alcohol in 18 years. It's one of the many things that triggers my migraines. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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well then - iced tea! | |||
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i've stayed out of this discussion so far but if there's going to be any shiner beer.... as my son would say, "i'm there, dude!!" blaming guns for crime is like blaming silverware for rosie o'donnell being fat | |||
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actually (and thanks to muygrande), this was one of the better conversations on the subject. for what it's worth, MG has earned my admiration and respect for his efforts to channel it into a course where ideas and information are exchanged rather than insults. he may not have been 100% successful, but the effort is commendable. as for this "shiner" beer - i may have to contact a couple of buddies in texas and find a way for it to be smuggled up here. it sounds like good stuff. conversely, if you boys down tehre are even in a position to try "trout slayer" or any of our numerous microbrews from montana, please do. i doubt that you will be disappointed. | |||
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The Hill Country was just awesome. I had a three day lease on about 2500 acres. Frankly I don't know if they were Russian or feral. I asked the guy if they were russian and he told me that they were a cross but that most "looked" Russian. In the end a few small ones found their way into a trap and they looked mighty Russian. However, I was in a hurry to catch a plane and couldn't kill 'em because of time. I let them go. I'm really hoping to come back some day. I hanker two European mounted boar heads on either side of an office door way. Thanks. | |||
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I wanted to stay out of the rest of this nasty exchange but, since someone brought up powered parachutes here goes: There I was, minding my own business, driving along 212 to Broadus and my fav. antelope spot. I hit Ashland and off to my left but a few hundred feel AGL is a dog gone powered parachute. I says to my self, I says, now that's either a committed game spotter or a fun haver. However, since he was flying to the NE over the forest service you can come to your own conclusions. I've since seen this person two other times flying in the same general area. Never seen it anywhere else in MT but I have seen plenty of Super Cub and similar types of aircraft spotting for elk or deer. If a guy had some free hands and a desire to die it would seem like a blast to use that gizmo and a shotgun or AK to thin the coyote herd a bit. | |||
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bet it would be fun for hogs in Texas, too! | |||
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Damn, I can't leave you guys alone for a second. I leave for a couple of hours being a nice guy spending the afternoon with my wife before leaving for my next hunting trip and I get back ready to jump into the fray. And what happens? Everybody is sitting around the campfire singing cumbaya. Oh well what the hell. I guess it's time to head for the ranch. Quail season opens saturday and the little boogers are everywhere this year. It's gonna be tough sitting around the old mesquite fire roasting quail wrapped in bacon sipping a cocktail and listening to the coyotes howl. I just hope nobody kills a deer and ruins the moment. | |||
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