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First of all, let me say this wasn't me, or a hunting friend. This happened to a guy on the next field over. Just after legal shooting hours started, this gentleman saw what he thought was a nice doe standing quarting away from him. He shot the "doe" only to find it was a buck. He didn't have a doe tag at this point. Question is what should you do? A: Buy a statewide buck tag for $75, and turn it in. B: Call the warden and explain the situation. C; Leave the buck lay, and keep hunting. From what I was told (not out there, tagged out in early season), he let the meat lay. Didn't try to recover the buck after he saw what it was, and didn't buy a new tag. Personaly, I would have bought the tag. More than likly I wouldn't have taken the shot if I wasn't sure what it was. Needless to say, I am not very happy with this guy. I can't understand the mistake, let alone wasting the meat. | ||
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No buck tag, or no doe tag?
I've seen spike bucks that could be mistaken for a doe from the wrong angle. I like to think I'd have done at least (A) and maybe (B), as well. Option (A) is painless and Option (B) is insurance in case the warden shows up at an inopportune time before the paperwork is done. Option (C) isn't nice, and worse trouble with the warden than either of the others, to boot. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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I see several holes in the story. Such as: Just what tag did he have? You said he shot at a doe and killed a buck. Then you say he didn't have a doe tag at the moment. So, did he have a valid buck tag? If he did, then why didn't he tag the buck with a buck tag. If he didn't have a valid doe tag in his pocket then why did he shoot at what he thought was a doe? If he left the meat lie and if you know who the man is, why didn't you call the warden yourself? Knowledge of the incident means you have at least some reponsibility to get the law involved. I can't think of any place in the USA that it is legal or ethical to waste an entire deer. | |||
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Okay, lets see if I have this straight. The guy saw a deer, AFTER Legal Shooting time. He thought it was a doe. o he hoots it. When he got to it, he discoverd it was a buck. Now here is where things seem wobbly to me. If he did not have a doe tag, why did he shoot? Did he have a buck tag???? If so why didn't he tag the buck???? I don't see this as an ethics situation, I see this as the guy blantantly breaking the law on several levels. He shoots at a deer, don't matter the sex or what he thought the sex was, After Legal Shooting Time, Violation Number 1. He shoots a deer, evidently Without Having A License/Permit to do such, Violation Number 2. After realizing his mistake, He Abandons The Meat, if that is not a violation in the state where this took place, it should be. As I say, and not meaning to offend you, but because of the illegal actions he did, ethics are completely out of the picture. The ethical question is whether the people that know the details of the incident report it to the authorities or turn their backs and act like nothing ever happened. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Sorry, was typing while chasing a two year old. Remember, I am getting the story third hand. Early in the morning, but in legal shooting hours, the guy in question shot a deer. He had an antlerless only tag, and told my friend he "Thought it was a doe". It was a nice 4X4 buck, but was turned such that the shooter claimed he did not see it was a buck. It was in legal shooting hours (at least my friend on the scene thought so). The shooter claimed to have a valid anterless permit, but shot the buck. He left the buck lay. My friend on the scene heard the shot, and came over to see what was going on. It was on a property we hunt, but normally don't see anyone else near by. He say the buck, and the shooter, walking up and offered to help. The shooter then said he didn't have the correct tag, and would just let it lay. Sorry for the confusion. | |||
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+1  Such a dilemma, distress over ethics, while engaged in lawbreaking! GWB | |||
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Guys...I think the poster made a typo...I think he meant to say... "He didn't have a buck tag" Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi?[/] [i] Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I was at home in Iowa, and this happened on my cousin's land in Nebraska. Got the story from him second hand tonight. He has a call out to the owner of the other field, and is trying to figure out who was hunting that field. | |||
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Was his reposting the story your first clue? Yes, I know making a response on a thread doesn't always show up in the order it was intended to. It happens to all of us. As for the ethics question, even though some of the aspects were changed, the fact remains that a game animal was wasted. The shooter made a poor ETHICAL choice by shooting at an animal he could not properly identify. His choice to leave the animal was wrong ethically and probably legally. While this new explanation does raise some ethical questions, the fact remains that one possibly two violations were perpetrated because the hunter decided to try a shot that he ethically should not have taken because of his inability to identify the target properly. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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CHC, You will note that I posted 19:07 and his update occurred at 19:05. Its called posts crossing in the ether... Looking at time stamps might have been your first clue. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi?[/] [i] Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Calm your ass down and read all of my last reply, I mentioned the fact that posts/responses don't always show up in order. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Heard from my cousin. The owner of the other field did not know that anyone was on it. He is calling some people that have permission for bow season, but since it is rifle he didn't think they were out. My cousin found the deer, and has called the warden, and the warden will stop by tomorrow. My friend that saw the whole thing didn't know what to do. He also didn't have a valid buck tag, and didn't have permission to hunt on that field. I told him he should have called the warden, but he was worried about getting blamed for shooting the buck. Hopefully some of the meat will be recoverable. | |||
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not a whole lot of ethics involved. Every state has a law against wanton waste of game animals. The guy not only broke a law, he broke several.. I would have had the warden on speed dial. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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Man, this stinks. Sounds like the guy got over anxious and screwed up. Game Wardens aren't always the nicest when enforcing laws but a lot of the time Judges are more lenient. But wanton waste is never acceptable. | |||
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