If it can kill a 300lbs deer at 500 then why don't you use it on a 200lbs leopard or 300lbs lion at 50yds? Bearcat we are talking about a 270, try my test and see.You guys are addicted to name calling.Fools

Whatever, why is it that you run into sooooooo many "regardless of the facts I will not be swayed" type on this site. By the way I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to use a 270 on a leopard, what the hell would you use a 500 nitro????? Maybe a 50bmg would fit the bill. A 300lbs lion???? I hardly think you can compare a Mule deer to a Lion pound for pound I think the lion's just a little tougher just maybe. But then again maybe I should keep my 300 Wby next to my bed in case the house cat tries to attack, I hope thats big enough......what do you think?????? maybe I should go to the 30-378 instead.

I've hunted with a Remington 700LH in 270win for nearly 40yrs now and have taken at least one Mule Deer in each of those years, sometimes more. Several at 500yrds and beyond. Never unless I had a steady rock rest. Never had I had to pull the trigger twice, on those shots.
For many years my favorite load is and has been a full load of H-4831 (58-60gr) with an old Sierra 130gr BTSP to top it off. I know that there are probably better premium grade bullets and these have come apart on several occasions, however even when the bullet has come apart it has been advantagous in that the fragments have taken another lung or cut a hole in the heart. Anyway I'm a firm believer that if a bullet goes straight thru, much of it's energy is wasted on the dirt or a tree or heaven forbid another animal or human. I know, here goes the arguments, I've heard them all and too each own, live and let live. By the way I know that the so called priemium bullets can shoot thru several animals. I watched a fellow, not in our camp, shoot straight thru 3 elk (cows), of course so did the game warden, he lost his rifle, big fine, the animals, and hunting privledges. Anyway I'm off topic. The old Sierra 130gr still makes a great deer round and they are a lot less expensive than the premium bullets...

AI22-250: I agree the Sierra SPBT bullet is a good one, I shot a big black bear with one a couple years ago it did a fine job went through both shoulders and stoped on the hide on the other side. Bear was walking dead just didn't know it yet, Thanks for the reply, better take the 416 Rigby with ya next time though that 270 is only good for shooting baby kittens everything else just walks away.

Here's another comparison for the capability of the .270 at long range. It is the same case as the 30-06. For many years that round was used to make up to 1000yd shots on enemy troops. With a 150gr bullet, the velocity of a .270 is practically identical to that of a 30-06. So, why wouldn't it work on a deer at 500?

I'd hate to see what you carry for squirrels.

Bearcat: I have been using the wonderfully accurate Nosler 130 grain Ballistic Tips for my long range Mule Deer and Antelope Hunting for several seasons now!
My latest 270 Rifle is a splendidly accurate Remington 700 Sendero Model! I have a Leupold 8.5x25x40mm scope on it! It is an amazing tool for high plains, long distance shooting!
Having said that I did kill my latest and best Mule Deer with this Rifle last November as I was sneaking through a thicket in the breaks of a large river! This remote thicket was only about 300 yards long and the Mule Deer were rutting and running about with abandon! This particular big Buck was following some does through the thicket and coming right at me. I shot that Buck at about 120 yards as I recall - and the shot was taken off hand!
That 130 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip killed that big Buck just as dead as the Mulie I shot the year before at nearly 400 yards.
This Nosler Bullet flies flat and flies fast out of my 26" barrel.
I highly recommend them!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

The Sendero rifle is a failure,especially the stainless version.The 30-06 is a better rifle than the 270.The 30-06 is a good short range deer gun.The Sendero is a shit rifle and I am ashamed that I bought one.Everything about it is shit.If you want a good round for deer at 500 then I'll give you one.Go with a 300wm or a 300rum or a 338/378 weatherby,or a 8mmremmag or a 375rum or a 338rum or a 340 weaterby mag.Come on guys get serious.I won't always be here to tell you what will work or not.It is time you all matured a bit.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
...I won't always be here...

We could only hope........



IV

Man, I am so relieved to have a real expert to tell me what works for deer. After 35 years of hunting them I was getting frustrated because I just couldn't figure it out...

Jeff

Well folks I think its offical we have a among us, obviously bent on trying to ruffle peoples feathers. Nice try shootaway, your pretty much just rib tickler now.

catboat: Your right it did go to the dogs didn't it?

VarmintGuy: Sounds like a good setup, I've owned two Sendero's both fine rifles. Only thing you'd better trade that thing off for a 505 Gibs cause past 50 yards that pop gun you've got now will just bounce off a deer I've never tried the ballistic tips on big game, I hope they perform better in the larger caliber than they do in the .224 I've had some nasty surface wounds with them on coyotes.

Anyway I think this thread should fade into the sunset or be moved to the Humor catagory with missaway involved, besides I need to go load up some rounds for my 600 Nitro Express, going jackrabbit hunting tommorrow and you know how tough they are......

Consider the Hornady Interbond. Great bullet for the .270 ... Mark

quote:

Originally posted by shootaway:
The Sendero rifle is a failure,especially the stainless version.The 30-06 is a better rifle than the 270.The 30-06 is a good short range deer gun.The Sendero is a shit rifle and I am ashamed that I bought one.Everything about it is shit.If you want a good round for deer at 500 then I'll give you one.Go with a 300wm or a 300rum or a 338/378 weatherby,or a 8mmremmag or a 375rum or a 338rum or a 340 weaterby mag.Come on guys get serious.I won't always be here to tell you what will work or not.It is time you all matured a bit.

Everone else in the room has tried to be gentlemenly about your assinine comments. I won't. You sir are full of more shit than a Christmas goose. How many deer have you taken with anything, and with what? You are insulting the intelligence of people that have eons more experience hunting than you probably will ever have.
Frankly son, I think you should go home and tell your mother she's calling you.
Paul B. Just

Saeed: Nice shot on the Eland! Good for you and the 270 Winchester!

Sendero Owners: I have really been on a roll with my 270 Sendero and have taken both Antelope and Mule Deer at long ranges with it. My (at the time) 16 year old VarmintSon #1 killed an Antelope (standing still and broadside) at a lasered 405 yards 5 years ago. He was using his Remington 700 25/06 with Leupold 4.5x14 scope and a Harris bi-pod (and rear rest). Yes it is ALWAYS sporting and a good decision to try and get closer to the game we are going to shoot at. But in certain situations its just not possible without spooking the game away! Especially for those of us that have to Hunt on public lands.
In the country I use my 270 Sendero to Hunt Mule Deer and Antelope in approaching to under 200 yards of these fine animals is the exception and definitely not the rule.
I would guesstimate that the game I have harvested with this Rifle since I began using it 4 seasons ago is around 275 to 325 yards distant, on average!
I chose the Rifle, scope and components I use to make ammo with this longer shooting in mind.
If conditions mandated it and the wind was right I am certain I could harvest a Mule Deer or Antelope at 500 yards with my Sendero 270 and still maintain my self designated status as an ethical Hunter and sportsman.

Now I am certainly agreeable to taking exception with folks postings if on rare occassion I deem it necessary and my aim then is to be critical with definite suggestions on better equipment and better ways to do things! But it appears that shootaway is just trying to be contrary and on being insulting to folks!
Puzzling this!
Immature and self destructive in my opinion is what shootaway is doing - and WHY I ask?
Sheesh.
Long live the Remington Sendero's - I am glad Remington is bringing them back this year.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

quote:

Originally posted by Skibum:
Man, I am so relieved to have a real expert to tell me what works for deer. After 35 years of hunting them I was getting frustrated because I just couldn't figure it out...

Jeff

I'm damned glad that shootaway never talked to the whitetail buck I killed at 410yds with a 100gr partition from my "inadequate" 25-06...

the deer might have known it wasn't supposed to die.

AllanD

quote:

Originally posted by VarmintGuy:

Now I am certainly agreeable to taking exception with folks postings if on rare occassion I deem it necessary and my aim then is to be critical with definite suggestions on better equipment and better ways to do things! But it appears that shootaway is just trying to be contrary and on being insulting to folks!
Puzzling this!
Immature and self destructive in my opinion is what shootaway is doing - and WHY I ask?
Sheesh.
Long live the Remington Sendero's - I am glad Remington is bringing them back this year.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

VarmintGuy and MOST other contributors,
I've got to tell you that I really appreciate your moderate voices and gentle, constructive approach on these pages, even in the face of the utter and destructive nonsense from those such as "shootaway". With my level of experience, I am grateful for your contributions. If shootaway had a lick of sense, he could learn from your experiences. Doug

Bearcat:

Have you actually shot a mule deer at 500 yards -and dropped him with a 270? I'm just asking. The internet allows many people to say many things - but in a hunting forum there are many of us who seriously question that the 270 could accomplish such a feat. ( I probably have forgotten more about the 30-06 than you may have ever learned {That's not intended as an insult- simply that I carried one and instructed in the military and hunted with it} and I would want to be holding very tight to drop a mule deer with a 30-06 in any load at that range) The 270 happens to be a favorite cartridge of mine for fun shooting - and I freely admit that I never shot any large animal with one. I liked it for its accuracy (and because it was fun to shoot from sitting position at 300 yards. I even used it in shooting at woodchucks) but I never thought it was any good for any animal larger than an antelope or Eastern white tail deer or a small black bear. Just my thoughts.

It appears we have coughed up the after season, cabin fevered and depressed. I have used the 270 on many deer, antelope and 4 elk. I can't see why a 270 couldn't drop a mulie at 500 yards with good shot placement. That is the hard part. Knowing the exact range and what the invisible wind is doing over rough and varied terrain, Why not try to get a bit closer?

I've used guns a heck of a lot smaller and bullets a heck of a lot lighter than what we're talking here. For one I've taken more than a few with a 6/06 and with various bullets from 70-95's with no probs what soever.

This is not rocket science excepting for those who have not done it. The non believers are usually the ones without the experience to make comment about such things. And IMO should sit back and listen and see if they can learn anything. You know the old I know what I know but I want to know what you know!

To make a long story short. I shoot a ton, and at targets a lot smaller than a muley at ranges to 700 yds.

Killing a muley is not a big deal, they are not tough to take down and out. There bone structure is just not formidable.

The fact that they are 500 yds is of no big deal to me. And is a shot that have taken and will continue to take under the right conditions.

I have taken and seen more than a few elk taken at 500 with a 270 and it just flat out worked! Where talking about a critter about 1/3 in size or so here folks.

IMO and IME the ones that are nay sayers of this fit into one of a couple of different category's.

First off, they do not shoot at long range and have no clue as to how to make it happen at long range,therefor they pooh pooh the concept at every chance. You know the old I can't do it, I haven't practiced to do it so no one should do it.

Then there is just the plain old pot stirror, trying make things get stirred up.

I find it crazy that people will sit and write this kind of stuff. When they have no right to be passing judgement about something they know nothing about.

To me, this question is posed to those that are practiced in this and have done it on more than one occaision, and can do it on demand.

Those who can't, don't care to, or don't think it should be done IMO need not weigh in.

Why is it whenever someone asks a question that goes agin someones way of thinking that they all of a sudden feel the need to play the part of the judge!

Bottom line, muleys at 500 is not rocket science, bullets to make it happen at that range are not tough to come by. Now finding the rifleman to do it is a nother deal.

It takes practice,discipline and good judgement but that is a whole nother topic.

Mark D

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Originally posted by gerry375:
Bearcat:

Have you actually shot a mule deer at 500 yards -and dropped him with a 270? I'm just asking. The internet allows many people to say many things - but in a hunting forum there are many of us who seriously question that the 270 could accomplish such a feat. ( I probably have forgotten more about the 30-06 than you may have ever learned {That's not intended as an insult- simply that I carried one and instructed in the military and hunted with it} and I would want to be holding very tight to drop a mule deer with a 30-06 in any load at that range) The 270 happens to be a favorite cartridge of mine for fun shooting - and I freely admit that I never shot any large animal with one. I liked it for its accuracy (and because it was fun to shoot from sitting position at 300 yards. I even used it in shooting at woodchucks) but I never thought it was any good for any animal larger than an antelope or Eastern white tail deer or a small black bear. Just my thoughts.

Gerry375: Did you even read my question? If you did it wouldn't be hard to come to the conclusion that I had not taken a mule deer at 500 yards or I wouldn't be asking it. As Mark stated below this question was asked of the experienced with this situation I didn't ask if it could be done because I've seen it done and frankly I'm tired of repeating myself on the subject. Any case that has almost 1700 ft/lbs of energy and is still traveling close to 2400fps at 500 yards is for the 100th time very capable of cleanly killing a Mule deer. And in the near future please don't tell me that you've forgotten more about anything than I've learn, to make such a statement is well, predictable armchair assinine general of you. As for me shot placement with my 270 at 500 yards is not a problem, I've been shooting at ranges far passed that for quite sometime its not a big deal if you practice, practice, practice at those ranges and know your rifle and how it handles "the conditions".

Do you even know how far 500 yards is???? I'm truly begining to wonder about a few of you folks. Really have you ever shot anything at 500 yards including even a piece of paper? Were not talking about 3 miles here for pitty sakes. But whatever like I said this is not a hard ballistics fact to wrap your mind around. So please if you don't have something that is helpful to my specific question go start your own thead labeled something like "The 270 is a 250 yard gun MAX!" Sorry to be so cinical but the horse was dead about 3 miles ago....cheers

This is more about the experience of "guestimating" distances in the field. For as many years as I can remember ever time that I step into the "field" wheather it be deer hunting, dove, duck, whatever, I have played a game. I pick out a bush or a tree, a rock, or whatever 100yrds away, then pick something another 100yrds and so on, out to 3,4,5 hundred yards and beyond. Now that I have a range finder I can quickly check myself, before I had one, I just stepped it off, that not only checked my quess but checked my step distance. I found myself doing this down hill, up hill, across streams, where ever. Doing this in a crowd isn't condusive to being accurate, but try it some times, it will become second nature and your find yourself gaining confidence in the longer shots, and it's funny, those 500yd shots turn out to be more like 300yds.......