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I have a rifle listed on Gunbrokers for sale. Just got an email from someone who lives in Colorado who wants to drive over to my house to look at it and most likely purchase it. Can I sell this rifle face to face without going thru a background check or FFL holder? My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | ||
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Not legally since the new law passed last year. Every firearm transfer is required to go through the background check. Dennis Life member NRA | |||
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Does that law pertain to sales/exchanges/swaps/gifts, between Private citizens? | |||
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Thanks. If he buys it we can visit my neighbor who has an FFL. If the buyer doesn't like that then I will just tell him it has to be mailed to his dealer for transfer. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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YES! | |||
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Nation wide? What if the two parties each reside in the same state? | |||
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No only in CO. and a couple of other states that have made FTF sales illegal. In most states FTF private sales are just fine. As long as the buyer isn't a prohibited person. Private free markets sales are the safety valve against registration and confiscation. I see it as my patriotic duty to sell and buy on the free open market. | |||
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Thank you, that answered my question. I had a feeling that was one of the results of those new laws up there. Are all Coloradan's having to register their guns with the state? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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No registration CHC and all the guy will have to do is have his FFL neighbor do a background check on the CO guy and the CO guy will then make CO Officials aware of the legal transfer when he goes home the way I read the law. | |||
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GRRRRRRR!!!! None of their freaking business!!!!! Why isn't this a requirement if I sell a claw hammer in CO? Same potential!!! | |||
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Five minutes at my neighbors and buyer paid the fee. I am not a fan of gun laws but if it saves one nut case from getting a gun and doing something stupid with it that's fine. If he bought it from a dealer or store he would need the same back ground check so no big deal. Thanks for the info as I would of done it face to face as I was ignorant of the current laws. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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Just an open question, no one has to give specifics, but how many of us own guns that are not registered anywhere? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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No registration here in MI other than handguns. Private sales are allowed with no restrictions other than the handgun registration requirement after the sale. I don't tell anyone what I have in my two safes because it's none of their business! | |||
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NY now requires a background check for all private party gun sales. | |||
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Texas has NO registration Ran'l. . | |||
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If one buys free market pre 68 made guns a lot of them have no serial numbers and most have no record of sales. | |||
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You know that, and I know that, but we both know that nationwide a lot of guns changed hands way before ANY registration went into effect. Now, is anyone in their right mind gonna start a paper trail on a gun that does not already have a paper trail???????????????????? J, how many times have you drove out of and back into Texas after "X" number of days, crossing "X" number of state lines and been stopped and asked if you had any guns and if they were registered??????? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I had basically this conversation with another member. He said he would incest on keeping a paper trail on any gun he sold. He seemed afraid of having to explain to whom he sold it to. When I sell and buy on the free market I ask for nor keep any paper work. cash is king. | |||
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Thank You Sir!!! That is what I was getting at. If a person has a gun that is NOT registered, why the hell start a paper trail on it? One of if not the first center fire rifle I ever bought I ordered at 16 years old a surplus military mauser from Sears and Rareback for like $15.00. The only way these laws work is if everyone submits to them and that damn sure is not happening. Why should honest law abiding citizens submit to laws that the criminal element ignores? All these laws do is make criminals of the very people willing to follow them. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Calm down crazyhorse  Only asked the question to make sure I was not violating any laws in our state. Got the answer, we did the transfer, sale completed, case closed.My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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GUNS!!!???? What GUNS??? I don't know nuthin about any guns! LOL Dennis Life member NRA | |||
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I was not/am not upset. I just feel that if two private citizens want to buy/sell/trade/exchange/give a firearm that has not been registered with the Feds, why get them involved? If the gun cannot be traced back to a particular individual, why do the paperwork so that it can? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I was just funnin with ya I can't speak for everyone but I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you, myself included. But the law exists so we have to abide by it. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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I do understand and I really am sorry that such laws were passed up there. I really hope you guys can turn things around, Lora and I both love the west slope and it hurts to see what has happened to Colorado since we first started coming up there in the early 90's. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I am sure you well gladly turn them in if a law is passed requiring that also. | |||
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Now why would you say something like that p dog? I have lived in Colorado for less than one year and do not like the current laws here more than any other Colorado resident. But bad as the laws may be I still must abide by them. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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Any law that restricts the right to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional and therefore null and void. It is unlawful to require even a background check. I am sure this post will put me on yet another list but the constitution and the supreme court both have means to defeat unconstitutional laws that are passed by the federal and local governments. One way is nullification - which is simply ignoring the law. The other require harm to be done and then you can take it to the highest court to get the law removed. We have the right and responsibility to ignore unconstitutional laws passed by any government. Speer, Sierra, Lyman, Hornady, Hodgdon have reliable reloading data. You won't find it on so and so's web page. | |||
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Yea right, LOL! Famous last words as they haul you away to the slammer for a 20 year felony violation and I'm sure our SC is going to rule in our favor on anything like that! That last sentence is also a real dousy! | |||
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I've never registered one and I never will. Most of the guns that have ever been in my hands came from private sales with cash, were inherited or purchased from dealers with cash more than 20 years ago which was long before they kept the records. So, if anyone asks, all I'm going to say is: "Guns, what guns? I'm sorry but you seem to be mistaken. Have a nice day." | |||
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GCA 68 was passed 46 years ago requiring dealers to keep records. That is more then 20 years ago for sure. | |||
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Yes it was, but the dealers only had to keep records for a short time and then they could be destroyed. Remember, very little was computerized back then. Keeping records of all firearm transactions for an extended period of time is fairly recent requirement. Maybe you don't recall just a few years ago even Congress was calling for the records to be destroyed and not put in a database. I'm very confident that no such records exist and even if they actually did, I "sold" all those guns in private deals years ago, don't ya know. | |||
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THEORETICALLY enforceable. Ask the Connecticut State Police how that's working out for them. "Sorry, officer, I don't know what you're talking about. I sold every gun I owned, in private transactions, all for cash, .....ooooohhh, what was it, about about five or six or so years ago now. Nope, sorry, as a matter of fact, I DON'T remember the names of the people who bought them." NO COMPROMISE !!! "YOU MUST NEVER BE AFRAID TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT! EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO DO IT ALONE!" | |||
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20 years is the time limit for 4473 the bound book I believe has to be kept always. Most dealers do not destroy records. Records sent to ATF by FFL holders that went out of business are not destroyed. | |||
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I think every entry for the form 4457 is kept in a database somewhere. I live in CA with a 10 day waiting period/background check for any sale including private sales (have to be done through a FFL holder). I am sure a record of any sale is being held in a database at the CA Justice Department. | |||
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Tanks, No there not kept in a datbase. The 4457 is only used to prove you did not buy X,Y or Z item overseas so you do not have to pay duty on that item upon entering the States. It's not something set up for specifically for guns. Recently though some who travel internationally with guns have had their guns checked against some type of list of stolen guns upon rentry in the States. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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This is correct. I always put any high dollar item on it, Leica binos, scopes, my Rolex etc... when I travel so I can prove I had them before I left the states. Firearms are just on of many things that can be put on the form. | |||
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I'm glad Washington and his lot didn't abide by Brits laws, or we'd be still Brits And that one remark about " If it keeps guns from one nut..." Gimme a break. That's exactly how the most oppressive laws are written. Feel good legislation a are such a BS " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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