.......drive me absolutely crazy! Especially when the 190" deer that called that basin home decides he doesn't want neighbors and relocates to areas unknown.

Seriously, I get the fact that "ultra lightweight" is the new fad but just getting away from the crowds doesn't mean you'll see more game, especially when you set up camp right in the middle of the best damn habitat.

Rant over, thanks.

Drummond

Well that's why you will not catch me crying about fewer hunters. Try finding a nice bull on public land in central Idaho before rifle season only to find every hunter from Boise California has set up a generator powered drinking camps on all sides. For public land hunters like me and my friends we hope for fewer hunters every year, hoping we can enjoy a hunt the way it's supposed to be enjoyed.

Years ago I used to hunt in far northern Wisconsin. Big woods very few people. Always hunted public land off a powerline cut. Just a few dirt roads crossed the cut. A buck had a real good rub and scrape line about 50 yards in from the edge of the cut. Had a spot picked out to watch must of had a good dozen scraps or rubs in about 75 yard stretch. Get up there the day before season. What do I find? A fricking fullsize Winnebago about 100 yards of the road within about ten feet of the scrape line.

gig em drummond....

troy

Crap! I was going to call today and ask how your scouting went, but I guess now I know.

Any chance of educating them about this?

hell - a few years ago I had some guy come walking up to me and try to kick me off my own land - i couldn't even answer him cause i was laughing so hard

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Originally posted by butchloc:
hell - a few years ago I had some guy come walking up to me and try to kick me off my own land - i couldn't even answer him cause i was laughing so hard

had the same thing happen in Al deer hunting from a guy hunting the line, facing my place. I told him to climb down and I'd whip his ass. He declined and threatened to call the game warden.

Hows that for a threat Drummond??

troy

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Originally posted by DTala:

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Originally posted by butchloc:
hell - a few years ago I had some guy come walking up to me and try to kick me off my own land - i couldn't even answer him cause i was laughing so hard

had the same thing happen in Al deer hunting from a guy hunting the line, facing my place. I told him to climb down and I'd whip his ass. He declined and threatened to call the game warden.

Hows that for a threat Drummond??

troy

That's FUNNY!!!!!

Sad but Funny
Ya can't camp in their bedroom.
and a tree stand facing my ground ??
I'd own that stand

I have lived my entire life compeating with fence hunters...hat-em!!!

My cousin had that problem--- once. You should have seen the look on the guys face whern he fired up the chainsaw!

Many years ago, the military had me serving a 3 year hitch in Northern CA. Trying to make the best of the situation I did quite a bit of hunting for blacktails and hogs in Lake and Mendicino Counties. I knew of a really remote water hole that always had a bunch of deer using it. It was the only surface water that I knew of in the area. It was about 3 miles from the nearest road.

One year, getting ready for opening day I packed in a dry camp about 1/2 a mile from the water hole and was being real quiet because I knew a really good buck was using it. I'd seen him 3 times while scouting and he was a good 4x4 which was rare in that area. On opening morning I snuck in to an overlook and found out a troop of Boy Scouts from San Francisico has set up a camp right at the water hole. I chatted with them a little to be socialble and left them at the waterhole. After all, they didn't know I was going to hunt it and being city kids they didn't realize it was opening day of the A Zone season.

Blew that hunt out of the water. Ended up with a small 2 pt for that season and I never saw the big buck again. It happens. Especially on public ground. Not much you can do about it.

Several years ago we had to contend with a fence hunter. Once he even actually looked at me thru his scope on his rifle. That pissed me off so bad I dropped pants and pissed everywhere to scare off the deer on our side of the fence. Turned out the fence hunter was the county sheriff, he did not win the next election.

Here in eastern Arizona's White Mountains, nearly all of our elk hunting is on public land. What I've never been able to understand is why the majority of hunters lucky enough to draw a tag want to camp smack dab in the middle of our best elk habitat. When our seasons open, virtually all of the meadows where I see elk in the off-season will have at least one camp just inside the trees.

Bill Quimby

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Originally posted by billrquimby:
Here in eastern Arizona's White Mountains, nearly all of our elk hunting is on public land. What I've never been able to understand is why the majority of hunters lucky enough to draw a tag want to camp smack dab in the middle of our best elk habitat. When our seasons open, virtually all of the meadows where I see elk in the off-season will have at least one camp just inside the trees.

Bill Quimby

Mind boggling isn't it Bill

I hear ya Drummond. Some guys don’t understand that the word “Spike Camp” means you still have to walk to your hunting area, not wake up in it.

my other incident involved a neighbor who has a bit slough that whitetail buck just love to lay in. Opening morning of the season the family went down and found about a dozen guys surrounding the place. The grandfather went up to one of the guys and told him that they did not have permission that the family was going to hunt. With that they guy punched him in the jaw. When he got up the guy hit him again and then the group left.

So much for Minnesota Nice.

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Originally posted by SG Olds:
So much for Minnesota Nice.

They must've been from Wisconsin...

Funny how the Winnebagos seem to materialize out of thin air on opening morning, surrounding the public land here. Can't escape 'em.

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:

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Originally posted by billrquimby:
Here in eastern Arizona's White Mountains, nearly all of our elk hunting is on public land. What I've never been able to understand is why the majority of hunters lucky enough to draw a tag want to camp smack dab in the middle of our best elk habitat. When our seasons open, virtually all of the meadows where I see elk in the off-season will have at least one camp just inside the trees.

Bill Quimby

Mind boggling isn't it Bill

Absolutely! The last time I drew a bull tag, I found someone with a huge fifth-wheel trailer parked on opening morning exactly where I'd last seen a very good bull the previous evening!

Bill Quimby

One question. When did the various Game Departments around the country start using intelligence as a criteria for buying a license????

Factually proveable answers only!

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
One question. When did the various Game Departments around the country start using intelligence as a criteria for buying a license????

Factually proveable answers only!

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
...I have been able to hunt in 6 states and 2 provinces...

It's obvious that they'll sell licenses to anybody

Yes, but I hunt with guides BITCH!!!!!!

Why don't you use all your mighty influence to get Colorado to stop selling licenses to Non-resident hunters. Be sure and get back to us with your success on that Nobama!

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Yes, but I hunt with guides BITCH!!!!!!

Why don't you use all your mighty influence to get Colorado to stop selling licenses to Non-resident hunters. Be sure and get back to us with your success on that Nobama!

Thank you for proving my point

It would be good if you had a point, but you don't. All you think is that you are better and smarter than everyone else, and not everyone agrees with that.

Your too damn arrogant to grasp the concept, that I agree with you about the poor choices people make when setting up a camp. however short of giving folks an IQ test of some sort before selling them a hunting license/tag, you have no way of stopping people from doing stupid shit.


Your only line of reasoning is to make deragatory comments about another hunter that you know absolutely nothing about. You are a pitiful, pathetic little fuck thatr needs to grow up.

Alienating other hunters simply because they have a different manner of stating the same thing really helps no one.

For someone that does guiding in Mexico, you sure seem to have a low opinion of folks in America that hunt with guides.

Is it the hunters themselves you have the problem with, or the fact that they did not book with you? I have never hunted with a guide that set up camp right in ther middle of the best hunting. Maybe you think your the only person smart enough to do that! Well, your not.

Maybe you honestly believe your the only person that actually gets out and hunts. Well your not, that is why I like hunting outside of Texas, because I can actually get out and hunt.

All you know is that I am from Texas and that automatically makes me scum in your mind. I bet that would change if I booked a Coues hunt in Mexico with you. I can hear the sound of the suck now!

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
It would be good if you had a point, but you don't. All you think is that you are better and smarter than everyone else, and not everyone agrees with that.

Your too damn arrogant to grasp the concept, that I agree with you about the poor choices people make when setting up a camp. however short of giving folks an IQ test of some sort before selling them a hunting license/tag, you have no way of stopping people from doing stupid shit.


Your only line of reasoning is to make deragatory comments about another hunter that you know absolutely nothing about. You are a pitiful, pathetic little fuck thatr needs to grow up.

Alienating other hunters simply because they have a different manner of stating the same thing really helps no one.

For someone that does guiding in Mexico, you sure seem to have a low opinion of folks in America that hunt with guides.

Is it the hunters themselves you have the problem with, or the fact that they did not book with you? I have never hunted with a guide that set up camp right in ther middle of the best hunting. Maybe you think your the only person smart enough to do that! Well, your not.

Maybe you honestly believe your the only person that actually gets out and hunts. Well your not, that is why I like hunting outside of Texas, because I can actually get out and hunt.

All you know is that I am from Texas and that automatically makes me scum in your mind. I bet that would change if I booked a Coues hunt in Mexico with you. I can hear the sound of the suck now!

Allow me to address a couple of things Crazy then I will allow you to have the last word as I am leaving my house in 4 hours to scout and I'm already tired.

I did not call anybody stupid Crazy. I think that some people lack the experience necessary to pick a camp thats not going to spook the very animals they are going to hunt but that doesn't make them stupid. You have a habit of putting words in peoples mouth and thats a shame.

I have NEVER said anything derogatory about somebody going on a guided hunt out west. I am experienced in the areas I hunt year in and year out but there are certain tags out there that would be in areas where I would absolutely hire a guide for myself. I have no idea where you came up with that claim but it doesn't surprise me that you'd come up with something so far off base

Lastly, you claim that I think you're scum because you're from Texas. This takes the cake Crazy. I am from Texas, I was born and raised in New Braunfels and my family has two ranches in Texas. Texas is will always be home as home is where the heart is. Texans are some of the finest people in the world. Again, you make assumptions and put words in peoples mouthes and its ridiculous.

I dont think you're scum Crazy, I genuinely don't. I think you're bored in Olney Texas and don't have anything better to do than to come on AR, be a drama queen and say stupid shit to rile people up. I think its sad

Here you go Crazy, you get the last word so knock yourself out and say something ridiculous. Please say it then go be a drama queen on another thread

CHC. Please, we need to get along as hunters and present a unified face against the forces of evil like you have said somewhere between 267-845 times. Can't we all just get along?

Ps. I don't think your scum because you say your from Texas. One of my best friends is a Texan.

WOW!!!! I am impressed. you have the quoting stuff down to a science. Congratulations on that step up the evolutionary ladder! you will be hell on wheels once you get thumbs figured out.

So as not to tax you too much, can you explain just exactly HOW the Colorado DOW is going to determine who is and who is not smart enough to buy a license or tag and know where to set a camp up at.

I am sure your response will be facinating if not intelligent.

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CHC. Please, we need to get along as hunters and present a unified face against the forces of evil like you have said somewhere between 267-845 times. Can't we all just get along?

Nothing would please me more than to see hunters get along with each other. That however is really hard to do, when someone, not you, has the attitude that people that do not agree with them or believe they are some sort of hunting God, are scum.

I hunt with guides when hunting elk, simply because they know what the hell they are doing, and I am yet to be in a camp that was less than 2 miles from the area I was hunting in. On Public Land in western Colorado the biggest concern was locals patroling every trail they could get a 4 wheeler down, and that includes the stuff in Unit 21 off the Cathederal Bluffs, since some folks don't think I have ever hunted anywehere but Texas.

None of the state game departments can control or mandate the intelligence level of the folks wanting to hunmt in their state, wish they could because some of my hunts would have been a lot more enjoyable without having to deal with resident hunters and their attitudes.

I am ready and willing to try and get along with anyone, but that is a two way street. I have done my share of hunting in the western states and I really do not consider what takes place here in Texas as hunting, but if a perdson wants to call it hunting and consider themselves a hunmter, it isn't my place to tell them they do not have the right to do that.

Now that you have admonished my ass and got my committment to try and get along, see if you can ghet Dtrummond to do the same, but don't hold your breath.

I hate 4 wheelers too. Ruined many a hunt going behind locked gates and passing my sorry ass that has been dragging for hours in the dark to get in deep. They just ignored by truck parked at the gate and did whatever the hell they wanted as long as its legal or not. Hunting on public land in the west is no damn sport. It's a competition.

Problem is, like with the anti gun folks, it's neither the gun or the 4 wheeler that's the problem, it's the damn humans. These humans all call themselves hunters by the way. If we don't police our own and hold them to a tough standard, you can kiss public land hunting in the west goodbye.

The only ones that can hold folks to those standards and have any meaningful effect, is the various state game and fish agencies, and they simply cannot be everywhere, all of the time.

I sincerely do wish that hunters could get along. I love to hunt and enjoy talking to people about hunting. But I will never be adult enough to take being talked down too over where I live, and that being used as a criteria concerning whether I am a hunter or not.

I do not like having to do things the way I have too here in Texcas, that is why I like going out of state, so I can actually get out and hunt.

I really do not know what is wrong with that, but Drummond evidently finds me lacking for some imagined reason known only to him.

As long as ANY of us do nothing but look for lines of division, we will never be able to save hunting or carry on rerasonable conversations, and that is a pity.

This site just keeps getting better.