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I have noticed a lot of interrest in Bison hunts lately so thought I'd post this.... I have Trophy Bison (world class) hunts on 65,000 acre ranch...A fair chase hunt..You get the skin, meat and hide...Everything furnished, $4000.00 ------------------ | ||
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Interesting. I booked one here in NM for $1,600 on a ranch of over 250,000 acres. | |||
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Too many tools, I would like to hear more detail about this N.Mex. hunt was it a trophy bull or management hunt? cow or bull? and what do you get to take home... ------------------ | |||
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I just want to know "ONE" thing. Can you shoot them wherever you want, or is some a**hole standing there next to you, dictating where you can and can't shoot the animal. If I'm payin' bucks, by God I'm going to shoot the durn critter where I gol-durn feel like shooting him. I've been hearing too many stories about this "shoot him where 'I' tell you" crap. Russ ------------------ | |||
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| <Robin> |
The Armendaris Ranch near Truth or Consequences, NM runs about 1300 head on 300,000 acres. They sell trophy bull hunts for, I believe $2500. I expect they will let you hunt or shoot in whatever manner you desire. ------------------ | ||
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Toomany Tools and Robin. How about contact data for these hunts. Like phone numbers or mailing addresses. Thanks. Paul B. | |||
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| <Robin> |
I have e-mailed the contact information. This ranch is one of three owned by Ted Turner in New Mexico. It also has hunting for prong horn, oryx, mull dear, and quail. The ranch is on the Jornada del Muerto and is one of the finest examples of black gramma desert grassland left in the country. They have even reintroduced big horn sheep and black tailed prairie dogs on the place. I know Ted comes in for a lot of criticism but I am doing research on three of his properties in New Mexico and Nebraska, and I'm impressed with his outfits stewardship of the land. Being a former puncher of semi domestic bovine critters I know this view may not be popular with a lot of my former compadres but it is a fair assesment of what I've seen. ------------------ | ||
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| <Rimrock> |
Got a number of thoughts I'd like to chip in here... First; Ray, I hope you're not going "Oh cripes, this dude again..." Yes, I am also a booking agent, http://www.cowboyhvn.com So, I hope you don't think I'm moving in on your turf or something, and FWIW, I asked Saeed if my posting about these bison hunts was appropriate. Somewhat unrelated, but I've enjoyed your posts for a long time, and if indeed you did get a call from the Secret Service for calling Clinton the Antichrist, my hat's off to you! That's the funniest thing I've heard in a day or two... And speaking of the Antichrist, we are also offering bison hunts, among other things, on Turner's properties here in Montana. See my relevant page, http://www.cowboyhvn.com/bison_hunts.htm The trophy bull hunts are the same price as Ray's, but the management bulls are quite a bit less, and the cow hunts are downright cheap. And I'm sure you know, Ray, that we're not making much money off those, so my interest in these bison hunts goes way beyond money. Being somewhat of an ex-farmer and meat cutter, I've long been intrigued with bison. Turner certainly attracts a lot of controversy, not to mention his ex-wife Jane, and I by no means agree with everything he does. I wholeheartedly agree with Robin on his land management policies, though. I know several of the guys who work on the Flying D, and not only are they good folks, they take their range and wildlife management seriously. It's generally agreed that the (and I almost hate to use this word, but can't think of another) ecosystem out there is way healthier than it was when Shelton and other previous owners were raising cattle. I grew up around cows myself, and bison and elk are sure easier on the range...Also, people like to gripe about Turner buying up these large properties and turning them into trophy hunting operations, if they are publicly accessible at all. For the most part, though, it's not like those ranches were just wide open to the public previously, anyway. Let's face it, it takes a rich man to buy up ranches of that size, and at least with Ted you know the place isn't ever going to be subdivided (he's placed all his properties, as far as I know, into conservation easements). And, at least with the Flying D, all those elk don't always stay on the ranch ;-). So anyway, I'll get off my soapbox here. Grab your 45-70, bow and arrow, or any weapon within reason and come out to Montana & shoot a bison! Bah...I see my hyperlinks weren't working. Computers can be so unforgiving of misplaced periods...Fixed now, though. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Rimrock (edited 05-13-2001).] [This message has been edited by Rimrock (edited 05-13-2001).] | ||
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Rimrock, I have no problem with competition, if I did I would have to get in another business.... I did have a slight problem with toomany tools comparing a cull hunt to my trophy hunt and checked it out and he was just misinformed.. Like you said your trophy bulls are the same price and thats pretty much the market... Our hunts in Colorado and in Texas are the I have been thinking about shooting one off the back of a running horse, that has a lot of appeal to me, do it the old way... ------------------ | |||
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| <Rimrock> |
Myself and clients have entertained the thought of shooting them off horseback too. I don't think my nags are athletic enough for that task, though...Takes a fast horse to keep up with a bison, let alone catch one...No wonder the Indians prized their best buffalo running horses so much. Sort of the ancient equivalent of a combination Ferrari/Humvee. I've brought up the idea to the guys on the Flying D. On the bulls, it "might" work, although certainly not risk free. Probably not on the cows. They're used to seeing pickups, but take a dim view of humans on foot or horseback. They say the sight of a horse and rider will set them running...either away from or directly at you. At this point, it's not a well tested idea, since horses accustomed to the sight of a herd of charging bison aren't too common anymore. Charley Russell did a painting of a possible result called "The Wounded Bull", or something like that. A big bull is goring a horse, with a rider armed only with a lance aboard, as I recall. I like excitement, but I think that'd be a little much.... | ||
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Ray, I don't know where you got the idea that I was comparing the hunt I booked and the ones you're trying to sell here. Perhaps since you are trying to sell something for your own gain, and all I'm doing is passing information, you may have a not so hidden agenda. The fact is, $1600 is a lot less than $4000, and that is where the comparison ends. Outside of hunting buffalo in the McGrath area in Alaska, shooting buffalo with a rifle isn't much of a challenge anywhere. And, if you want to do it "the old way" why not sneak up on them in a wolf skin and stab them with a sharp stick. | |||
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I've never run a horse up to a bison but I have been a passenger on one that's run away from a charging buffalo herd and that's the fastest I've ever been on 4 legs. It was in the Okevango delta at the start and nigh on in Victoria Falls by the end. The only thing I nearly let go with was not going to do a buffalo much harm...... [This message has been edited by 1894 (edited 05-23-2001).] | |||
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Too many Tools, Yes, I'm trying to make a living and feed my family, and I don't call that a "hidden agenda", and yes it is personal gain..I suspect your salary is personal gain also, but I won't condim you for that..Nor will I come into your field of endevor and try to foul it... If I were selling cow hunts then they would be around $1600 or whatever the market bares...You compared, in all your arrogrance, apples to oranges...Compare Trophy Bulls to Trophy Bulls... I sell Buffalo in several states, along with many other hunts world wide for personal gain. I also don't appreciate your snide remarks about hunting buffalo with a sharp stick, it has the sound of an anti....I have no further commit to you sir as nothing further will be gained... ------------------ | |||
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| <R. A. Berry> |
Ray, Keep on plugging. I will be looking for a Bison bison one of these days, after Caffer syncerus (sp?) is in the bag. Your offerings and advice are an enrichment to this website. Live long and prosper. ------------------ | ||
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Thanks R.A. I suppose I ought to apoligize to Too Many Tools as I had a bad day of golf, and that makes me cranky.. I hate that game its nothing more than a good way to ruin a varmint hunt...but I'm hooked, it my escape from the business of hunting, now ain't that sump'n.... ------------------ | |||
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