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Sorry. While I wholeheartely agree with the goals of "biggameforever," signing an online petition is a complete waste of time. At best they're a futile,"feel good" response that carries absolutly ZERO political clout. At worst e-petitions are ruse to get your email address for endless spam and money appeals. If this issue (or any other issue) is important to you take the time to WRITE your representatives. Paper, pen, postage stamps and all that. Don't bother with email. Politicians are swamped with emails from every advocacy group under the sun. They are fully aware of how easy it is for one person to generate hundreds, if not thousands, of messages at the click of a mouse. No longer Bigasanelk | |||
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Sorry, but that's bullshit. Pure plain and simple. Look at the map and ask yourself if there's a chance in hell of that happening. Wolves in Iowa, northern Illinois, southern and southwest Minnesota. I live in Minnesota. I have lived around wolves my whole life. Fear mongering amongst ignorant fools who piss themselves over something they do not understand is not going to make it happen and there are very good reason it will never happen. The wolf situation needs to be addressed but not by fear mongering ignorant idiots. | |||
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mile58 Well your are wroung wolves from Wis have all ready been found in Iowa Il. and IN. And I am sure they are in Southern MN But they would be MN wolves then. Wis wolves have expanded into southern Wis no reason that MN wolves haven't expaned into Southern MN considering MN has a lot more wovles then Wis. They don't need willderness to live in they will live any place they have food and are not shot on sight. They have been tracked covering hundreds of miles there is nothing to stop them from expanding into those areas. A freind of mine caught a female with a gps collar on and it travel 160 air plus miles from where it was collared. Middle East side of Wis to north west Wis | |||
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No, i am not wrong. Wolves havent expanded into southern Minnesota and they will not under present conditions. Yes an occasional wandering animal will turn up in strange places, but an idiot statement like you are making implies that just because our moose show up in Missouri for instance from time to time that they will establish moose herds there. Ignorant bullshit like that combined with the fear mongering that accompanies wolf discussion feeds the antis agenda and makes all those who'd manage wolves responsibly look as ignorant as the people who spread it. | |||
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And why won't they expand into southern MN. lots of food ect for them. And whats your idea what a expandtion is. hundreds a dozen ,several packs ect. If a wolf is living there they are there. One a dozen or a hundred. Do you have any thing besides personal attacks to back your statements up | |||
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They won't expand there for the same reason that the moose that occasionally wander through there will never establish a herd there. What a dip wad question! There will never be an established pack in the southern tier counties there is no habitat to support them. They've had almost fifty years to expand from northern Minnesota into southern Minnesota and they haven't done it. We have had wolves ever since the bounty days that wandered south and they've failed to establish even a single territory under protection of the feds. That alone is pretty compelling evidence that it will never happen. One animal moving through does not establish a population. I am pretty sure that even the people who need their fingers to count that far can figure that out. If you reallly believe that nonsense I am truly sorry for you A moose living in Missouri doesn't constitute an established moose population in Missouri, and they make it down there every few years. If you had half a clue you might know what the habitat in southern Minnesota looks like and what wolf habitat looks like. They are two very different things. That was not a personal attack. It was a simple recognition of an ignorant expression by someone helping to do more harm than anything else in regard to this matter. I can understand you taking recognition of your ignorance personally, but that does not make the recognition of that ignorance a personal attack, just a statement of fact, nothing more or less. | |||
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They said that about Wis wolves also we now have packs south of the middle part of the state. What does wolf habitat look like houses all around wolves living in peoples back yards ect ect. Thats what we have in Wis, MN is no differant it has taken about that long for wolves to move south in wis. Mn is just a bit longer north to south so more time is needed. I think that you are the one with the wrong ideas where a wolf can live. They do not need willderness to survive just food and no one killing them. The middle of MN is around Brainerd plenty of woods and food for them to live south of there. Wis wolves are well below what would be the middle of Mn. I guess what south you mean if you devide the state in half any thing south of that is south of northern. | |||
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I spend every day living with wolves. I've seen wolves in Wis, MN,MT AK and Canada They have walked through my yard, I seen them offten. Last year my total count of wolves seen was around 20. I have had them walk less then 15 yards from me when I have been out bow hunting. My freind who still traps catchs around 6 a year on his fox and yote line. Personally I haven't set a trap in 15 years. The last one I saw was just a few weeks ago less then a mile from my house with the nearest house less then 200 yards away and 4 other houses with in sight. When I was bear hunting 2 weeks ago we left a area because of fresh wolf tracks. We didn't want to run th hounds there. "Minnesota is very substantially different than Wisconsin. It's quite a bit bigger. It has a much smaller population. It has much, much more very sparsely populated forest land. The Sparesly populated forest land comes in much larger chunks, and it is much more contiguous that that in Wisconsin." Thus giving them a much larger area to expand into. "The chances of establishing packs without a lot of protection south of 90 is pretty unlikely even considering some of the bluff country close to the Mississippi." They have all the protection they need it is illeagal to hunt/kill ect a wolf in Wis MN and MI You sir have brought into the idea the wovles need willderness to live that is false propaganda from the people who want no control on them. Sir I don't mind haveing wolves around as long as we can control them and we don't give them blanket protection. | |||
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In a word BULLSHIT. | |||
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I think there should be the same "rules" on wolves nationwide as we have here in Texas on coyotes and mountain lions... You should be able to shoot them 24 hours a day, 365 days a year [plus Feb 29 on leap year], with artifical light. You still would not be able to kill all of them, we still have plenty of coyotes, I hear them most every night at my place, and plenty of mountain lions. But, WE do have them under control. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Too bad miles58 Can not handle Truth and personal observation. Makes me wonder if he has ever seen or heard a wild wolf. | |||
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Your bullshit claiming to have seen what amounts to 4% of the states wolf population in a year makes me wonder if you're a 12 year old with a keyboard. Go look at the real range of wolves in Wisconsin or anywhere else and come back and tell us more bullshit about how the wolves are going to invade Iowa and Illinois and carry off the women and children and devour all the deer. | |||
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In my job I traveled most of NW wis Puting 10 of thousand miles on a year I saw 13 pups with two wittness at one time last year plus around 7 others through out the year so that makes 20. I live, hunt, fish , work ect in prime Wis wolf country. One of the well establish packs areas is less then 2 miles from my house. I am a well kown poster on this forum being here right around 10 years. Do a little reserarch before shooting your mouth off. | |||
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My dog makes up better stories than you do. | |||
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Miles, if you think there are only 500 wolves in Wi. you are kidding yourself. I have sold 1000's of acres of land there, and the purchasers have SEEN 200+ wolves in the last 2 years. This is around 30 folks, widely distributed, and granted, lot's of the sitings were seeing the same wolf or wolves repeatedly, but only 500 and these 30 folks have seen over 200--I ain't buying your number of 500 just based on that intel. Two of these folks have seen packs of over a dozen, and I have personally seen one of 8-10 in one visit to Wi last November. I will tell you that regardless of your interpretation of Wolf habitat, they COMMONLY inhabit areas that are populated, have lot's of 'developed areas' (paved roads, commercial businesses etc.) and have for a while. I have personally seen a wolf in Denver colorado, less than a mile from the Denver airport. My best guess is that this was a captive bred wolf, BUT, the wolf champions of the time--over 20 months ago, were applauding the fact that wolves that were collared in the Yellowstone introduced wolves were in Boulder. At least 3 of them. I don't really know or care, but to me captive bred or not, there are free-ranging wolves in lots of places folks say there aren't any woves. I have seen it--PERIOD. I can also tell you that once upon a time, there were a lot of wolves in Arizona. My grandfather saw many and killed several in his lifetime, I'm not sure how much area in Az you would deem 'wolf habitat' but I can tell you the area my Grandfather lived in, saw the wolves in, and killed wolves in, was high desert area...not what I would presume you would consider good wolf habitat--but I don't know what you call good wolf habitat admittedly. Also, it is obvious you like wolves, but just calling BS on another poster doesn't give you credibility, which maybe you just don't care about, but it doesn't change the facts either. p dog shooter is known to be credible to the members of this forum as a generalization--if he says he saw 20 wolves, I will accept that. We aren't supposed to have any wolves in GA, but 6 were killed here last year that I am personally aware of--no doubt captive bred wolves, but here nonetheless. | |||
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