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Non-res bison bulls are over $4000 Non-res moose is up $400 special elk is up more than $200 special deer and elk are up to over $600 | ||
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It looks like they would have figured out that raising prices only lowers hunter numbers. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Maybe that is what they want to do. | |||
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That is possible, I don't believe probable but possible. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I remember when I was buying the non-resident antelope tag for $128 now I think that it just went up to $340. The online system's down for maintenance right now so I can't verify it. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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I hunted antelope in Unit 99 in Wyoming in 1993. I think my buck tag was $150.00 or less and at that point in time I was able to buy a doe tag for $25.00 since I had drawn a buck tag. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Here is the break down. https://wgfd.wyo.gov/Apply-or-...-License-Fee-Changes | |||
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I actually concur, but how intentional it really is I don't know. The bread and butter stuff is still affordable-ish, kind of? They seem to hit the more esoteric and desirable species as hard as they could have. Moose, Bison and elk got a bump. I think for sheep they could charge $4500, and they would still have people applying. For moose and goats it is a lot harder, as a guy can always hunt Canada. Actually since goat is $2162 now, and you can hunt with the guys in BC, the Yukon, or Alaska for $10,000ish they have kind of priced themselves out on goats. Considering most outfitters in area 3 want $7500-9500 to guide you, and all of area 3 is a wilderness and requires a guide for non-res. Area 3 is still 1.4 chance to draw for 2017 or about that, depending on how many people apply. Moose is $1982, and best case scenario some areas might be 1-2% for odds with no points. Same deal, but you could hunt moose in Canada in a lot of areas for $10,000. If you figure it takes 20 years of buying $100 points, and the tag will only go up in years to come, you could easily spend $10,000 just for a tag 20 years from now. Here is my philosophy, maybe it is not the smartest or the best, but it is mine. Wyoming, buy points for sheep, moose, elk, deer antelope, have enough points now for a decent antelope tag, ok to better than average elk tag, and don't have enough points for a good deer tag buying the more expensive special licenses for each. Montana, only buying points for antelope, sheep, bison, goat and elk. Yes I know it is stupid but no license fee up front. Utah, license up front, buy points for everything. Yes I know I will never draw a tag. Nevada, license fee up front, buy points for everything, like Utah no chance of me drawing a tag for 10 years. Arizona, buy points for everything and the non-refundable license. I can be fairly certain to draw a tag on the military base for coues deer, and I am building sheep points. I bought South Dakota points this year, as it was cheap, and I am building bison points. That and now I have enough points to draw a tag to hunt with Randy. New Mexico and Idaho don't have points programs, and Oregon has no points for sheep. When we move back to the USA, New Mexico will get all my money (they are nice enough to refund the license if you don't draw). Idaho will get one tag worth of money ( as non-residents can only apply for one species). Oregon will get sheep money. | |||
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Anyone can draw a tag in Nevada in any year. You just have to apply like everyone else and take your chances. | |||
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There isn't a state you can name from Iowa on west that doesn't have a huge price differential between the resident tags and NR tags! For what it's worth, Wyoming hadn't raised any of its fees in 10 years since 2008 and it's the Legislature that sets the fees, not the G&F. Yes, several of those fees are crazy, but the overall animal fees for antelope, deer, and elk are not really out of line with the other western states. Also, the Legislature took away every dime of the General Fund money that the G&F was getting when that license bill passed and raised the fees for 2018, so actually the G&F is going to lose about 1 million dollars a year even with those fee increases. They project that the G&F budget will be solvent for about the next 4 years and then they will be in deep dodo again such that the fees will certainly go up again at that time. Also, the demand is so high for tags out west that there is always someone that will take up the slack for each person that says enough is enough and drops out. Mark my words, it will still be a rat race to draw a lot of the tags even at the higher special rate that Wyoming has for NR elk, deer, and antelope! | |||
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I don't know about that. Non-Resident General Hunting License in Texas has been setting at $315.00 for a few years now and it allows a Non-Resident to kill the exact same limits as Residents can. All a person has to do is find a place to hunt. Let's see, that is for up to 5 Whitetails which depending on county can be up to 3 bucks or 5 does, , a buck Mule Deer and if a ranch has them a Mulie doe with a permit, a pronghorn, 2 javelina and up to 4 wild turkeys. Yes, I know not everyonme wants to hunt Texas and the discussion is about Wyoming but from my experience all of the Mountain States at least seem to constantly be raising license/tag prices which seems to be counter productive income wise and game management wise. JAO. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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You don't know what? What you mentioned is not what I stated and that is that there is a huge price differential between resident and NR fees and that includes Texas! That $315 for an NR is many times what a resident pays and you should know that, especially since you're a guide dealing with NRs all the time! I also have no idea why you mentioned that an NR in Texas has the exact same bag limits as a resident since that's pretty much the case in all the states. The biggy, as you mentioned, is finding a place to hunt in Texas and about the only way other than the very limited public land is to own or lease property and hunting leases are expensive if you can even find one that doesn't have a waiting list. Your last statement is way off because the demand in most states for tags exceeds the supply every year and the income generated by those tags is not counterproductive at all and really has no bearing on the management of the game itself. | |||
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A Texas Resident pays $68.00 and yes a Non-Resident paying $315.00 is a big jump, 5 times as much as a Resident. What does a Colorado Resident pay for a Bull Elk Tag? As for no effect on Game Management, fewer tags sold mean fewer animals taken out of the herd. This isn't worth arguing about. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I have no idea what CO tags cost and don't care. What you are missing is that the states ARE NOT selling fewer tags. They are selling damn near every tag that proper game management allows them to sell and the only time tags go down is if there is a bad winter kill in certain areas. It definitely isn't worth arguing when one side won't look at the available stats to see he's obviously wrong! | |||
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Randall: He's trying to bait you pard. George "Gun Control is NOT about Guns' "It's about Control!!" Join the NRA today!" LM: NRA, DAV, George L. Dwight | |||
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Not trying to bait CHC at all, but just trying to tell him he's wrong and why. He can either accept that I know what I'm talking about after hunting Wyoming for 20+ years or cry over spilled milk, and it's strictly up to him to decide! | |||
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Well Wyo. Lost me in 2008 an I never went back. I had hunted there 25 years in a row let the residents pay for game management. There is just too much great hunting in Canada, and the east coast. | |||
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I have had heard a lot of guys say that about Canada. Something to look into for sure. | |||
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It’s all tied lately as well to good economy It is what it is and simple supply and demand rule applies " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Idaho has a program where you can buy non-resident tags for huge discounts if you're a disabled vet. I plan on using that benefit to hunt in Idaho every year. DAV Discounted Tags | |||
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Now that is a good program. Here is how Texas addresses Disabled Veterans. Disabled Veteran “Super Combo” (Type 502):FREE Available to a resident or non-resident qualifying as a disabled veteran. Disabled veteran means a veteran with a service-connected disability, as defined by the Veterans Administration, consisting of the loss of the use of a foot or leg or a disability rating of 50% or more, and who is receiving compensation from the U.S. for the disability. Official proof of disability (issued by the V.A.) must be shown when applying for this license and must state the rate of disability. Includes all five state endorsements (archery, freshwater fishing, migratory game bird, saltwater fishing with a red drum tag, and upland game bird). The Federal Duck Stamp is not included. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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It is okay George I am familiar with Top Gun and measningless arguements aren't worth it. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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LOL! You just can't admit that maybe someone might know more on a subject than you do and this is one of those instances. If I'm wrong, I'll say I'm wrong, but I'm not in this instance because the facts, draw odds, and available stats show that tags are not going down for deer, elk, and antelope in Wyoming no matter what price they go to. Take a look at it before you speak and there wouldn't be any arguing! PS: You might even recall that I tried to help you not too long ago when you and the Mrs. were trying to plan a Wyoming antelope hunt, so I'm not the bad guy you try to make me out for! | |||
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Top Gun, I was just giving an opinion. Last time I checked that was not a crime on this site. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Whatever, as the kids say! Hope you and the Mrs. have a Happy New Year and your guiding goes well for you down there! | |||
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Thank You Sir, and hope you and yours have a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year and all your hunts are successful.   Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I have hunted Wyoming and am planning on going back again in 2018. Deer /Antelope will cost me roughly another $100. I get that legislators love cutting general funds and using license fees to pay for Game and Fish. It's low hanging fruit and easy to do. It's also a no brainer to raise the fee's for the out of state hunters. They don't vote in the state. As long as people are willing to pay the price for non resident tags it makes no sense for legislators not to use non resident dollars to fund wildlife in their state. I will say I have been impressed with the information and communication put forth by Wyoming. Whether an email or a phone call to an actual person; everyone is friendly, provides solid information, and seems that they want me to enjoy myself while in Wyoming. The danger of civilization, of course, is that you will piss away your life on nonsense | |||
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Wyoming has priced me out of their market. NRA Endowment Life Member | |||
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LOL! That is the biggest crock I've read on here since the Blair fiasco when you are on various sites all the time telling about all the fancy hunts you've gone on and your plans to keep right on doing them! I'd bet you spent more money just on that Buff hunt in your avatar than I've spent my entire 65 years of life on hunting! Give me a break that you're priced out of Wyoming,when it isn't much different than any other western state! | |||
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psssst, hey genius... There isn't a single species of big game in Wyoming that he can't hunt for a fraction of the price in Montana on his resident's license.... When prices become exorbitant many people will pass on the opportunity. Get over it. | |||
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The NR prices aren't exorbitant in Wyoming since they are on a par with just about every other western state, especially the prices that his home state of MT has if you're a NR! PS: Get over it yourself since it was none of your business commenting on what I posted to him in the first place! | |||
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^^^^ this Aim for the exit hole | |||
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Thanks Ty, your response was "spot on". And yes Topgun, although I have only hunted 53 of my almost 72 years, that cape buffalo hunt did cost more than ALL of my 53 years of resident Colorado and Montana EVERYTHING tags put together. So what? I have worked and saved most of my life so that I may enjoy life, which includes hunting. But I do not have an unlimited $$$ supply. So why would I want to pay $326 to hunt antelope in Wyoming when I have shot dozens of them in my home state of Montana at $19 or less each? Or pay $707 for a nonresident Wyoming elk tag when I have also shot dozens of them within 100 miles of my home, and at least 5 out my back door with a Montana resident geezer tag at a cost of $10? Even a Wyoming deer tag is 24 times the cost of my same tag in Montana. And Wyoming's moose, mountain goat, bighorn, and buffalo tags are 16 to 35 times more than those tags would cost me here in Montana. Even the cost of buying just a preference point for moose or sheep in Wyoming is more than the tag would cost me here in Montana. Since I have been fortunate enough to have successfully hunted all of those animals in my home state of Montana I would rather save MY $$$ to hunt a new to me species somewhere where I have never been. So Topgun if you think its a crock that I think Wyoming (and many of the other western states) have priced me out of their drawings for animals that I have already hunted, and that I can hunt for a far less cost here at home, so be it. You're entitled to your opinion. But its MY money and MY hunts, and I'll spend and hunt here I choose to. Besides, if I don't apply in Wyoming, that's one less person you have to apply against in their drawings. NRA Endowment Life Member | |||
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I agree buffybr---110% | |||
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The reality of it is that we all do not have native Mule Deer and Antelope nor an Elk season.I will be 74 years old next week and live on a fixed income.So I do with out some things so I can hunt the Western US.Prices will never go down any where.As far as meat goes I can get all I want in Wi.,But it aint the same type of hunting.I had tags for two Bucks and six does at a grand cost of about $48.00.Thats all well and good ,but I like the experience of hunting the West and will just adjust to paying more for that privilege.JMHO,OB | |||
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I wonder if the widespread CWD along with increased tag prices will turn off those primarily focused on meat hunting. I would not be surprised if Colorado benefits as far as elk and deer hunter applications. | |||
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It isn't just the state that has raised prices it is also the outfitters. Some of it is because the market will bare it, and some of it has to do with inflation and the cost of doing business. Public land elk hunts in the West are all over the place. Lowest I have seen is $4500, and the highest is $14,000. Private land and Indian reservation hunts go from about $6500-30,000. Maybe more than that. I don't know. High fence elk hunts go from $2500-50,000. Laurentian Wildlife in Quebec is at the top of the heap for their upper end bulls. Most Guides are getting $8000 for lower 48 sheep hunts, a lot of them are getting $10,000 or more. Self guided in an area like most of those in Western Wyoming can't be done by non-resident. There are tons of moose hunts in Alberta for $5500. Some are $9500, but generally that is for an area up on the NWT/Yukon border that has bigger bulls. $5500 for a bull moose in Canada is a screaming deal, if you drive and can utilize the meat. Mule deer and whitetails are also all over the place. Private land whitetails in areas that produce huge deer are expensive, some South Texas whitetals are $15,000 or more. $6500 is a lot of money, but quite a few guys in good areas get that for a whitetail or mule deer. Some super areas get more, but thank God the majority of deer hunts on public or private land are still about $3000-5500. Some of those prices include landowner validations. People charge more to hunt areas like the Paunsaugnant or Kaibab. Wildlife is a finite resource, and the influence on people by the hunting and fishing channels to want to look beyond their own back for has increased that demand on the resource. There are a lot of cheaper options, and I agree that Canada is a great one. 15 years ago, no one would have talked about Canada as a cheaper option because it just wasn't, but for a variety of reasons the majority of western hunts are cheaper or comparitivly priced in Canada, and you don't have the problem of trying to draw a tag. I buy points, and I apply for tags, and I will in the future. It is easy to get caught up in it and forget about other options. Hopefully when we return back to the USA in a few years, it will be to someplace that hunting is available and in good quality. A lot of good options on states to consider. I'd much rather be a Wyoming, Alaska, Montana or Idaho resident than not one. 20 years from now, when I am really retired I am sure this will be more important. | |||
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No antelope tags, three years in a row. Maybe next recession... TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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