I saw quite abit of this type of activity this weekend. Large groups of hunters patrolling the roads with 2-way radios. Whenever they came across something it sounded like a war zone. If this is the future of deer hunting in ND, I quit.

CAL

Those radio guys in their motorized vehicles, ain't hunting.......they're just playing with themsleves. It is more like a "Canned" hunt than any form of real hunting.

Those of us who shoot beanfield rifles and take game cleanly at longer distances bring a different set of skills to the field compared to those who stalk up close. Both types of hunting are right and ethical. I have seen skilled long range shooters shoot badly and having to follow up. I have seen stalkers wound animals and having to follow up. The point is that, just like you have off road racing and circuit racing and longboard surfers and windsurfers, one is not wrong and the other right. They are just different preferences and one should not class people according to their equipment.

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Here they would loose their hunting and gun licences - and would also get a room of their own in a prison for some time. Only poachers are hunting in this way.

I think those matters, which CAL9 from planet Fargo put on the table, are worth some consideration.

Fritz

They might call that road hunting elsewhere, but anyone that has hunted this type of terrain knows that game thrives in little pockets of cover, and that these pockets may be few and far between.

Tree stand hunting is not done to the extent that it is elsewhere (few suitable trees, very cold), and organized drives across open terrain, while great for red foxes, is normally a loosing proposition with deer. Deer hunting is all about driving from covert to covert and getting out and trying to find deer.

With that being said, this firing-squad type of hunting is just sad. That's all I can say about it. It is just piss-poor.

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Originally posted by Fritz Kraut:
I have always envied the americans their "free hunting" and lack of gun control, but reading this post I eventually see some advantages of our european system.

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I quite agree. I admire the US for many things, but the "enthusiasm" brought on by a very short season and the apparent lack of any skill in some "hunters" is some thing I am glad I do not have to put up with.

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Richard

Doesn't stop me huntin' though. I just try to avoid the idiots.

OK, this may be the worst idiot hunter story I've run into....

Several years ago, here in Utah, we had about five guys, probably drunk, open up on a deer a couple of hundred yards away. The only problem was that the "deer" was wearing hunter orange, packing on '06, and had his 12 year old son with him.

The "deer" and his son took refuge behind some rocks, and started waving their orange jackets and yelling, and these guys kept blazing away and laughing their heads off.

Finally, the "deer" had enough, and put a round through the open door of their pickup truck. He says you've never saw five guys sober up and head down the mountain so fast.

Cal, if it's your father's land post it. if they trespass, send a 165grn warning their way, get the liscence plate number and call the warden on them.

Scum like this deserves to be stamped out as visciously as possible.

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Here's where I'm coming from:

I don't know if this still holds true or not, but my great uncle was the largest private landowner in the state of North Dakota. He never posted ANY of his property and was totally against the idea. I spent a good portion of my youth working with him on his farm so the philosphy sort of wore off on me. His son, who runs the farm now, has never posted any of his property to this day. If you want to see monster whitetail or Mule deer bucks taken, you should see the walls of this family! And that's with hundreds of other hunters out there.

(Out of respect I'm not telling what part of the state this is - if you lived near him you'd know)

The point is, ND does not have a great deal of public hunting land. Opportunity for the hunter is tight enough as it is in this country. Closing everything down because of a few slob hunters ultimately punishes the younger generation, and the legitimate hunter who is just looking for a place to go.

I'm not standing in anybody's way, so do what you have to do, but I think that its a funny for someone, who may live 80 or more years if they're lucky, to hold the notion that they own or have owned ANYTHING, or to believe that posting property is going to rid the world of slob hunters.

Sometimes a swift kick in the ass is the best solution. Hell, we're talking about North Dakota here - call up the Norwegian mafia if you have to Just punish the guilty.

Even tho I took a fine Bull, cleanly, the hunt wasnt the same after hearing all those fireing volley's. I saw so many cripple's, even many cow's and calves, in those huge herds of Elk, it just killed a part of me. To make it worse two of the guy's I hunted with each crippled a fine Bull, without recovering them.

One was shooting a rifle he had no business shooting, crippled and lost the best Bull of the week after a 100yrd shot, and the other was another of these "long range experts" and shot a fine Bull in the ass at 600 yrds. He didnt even walk down to check on the hit and Im told this was the second year in a row he crippled with his long range bullshit.

Frankly I'd rather sit , in peace, with my bow. I dont enjoy this kind of hunting and if I go rifle hunting again it will be backcountry wilderness.......................10

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We have had a few instances like that around here,with idiots shooting at other hunters-and usually the other hunters where wearing blaze orange.

I've never had anyone shoot at me in the woods,but if someone does I will certainly not waste any time shooting back.I don't care if they think I'm a deer,they're trying to kill me.Plus,you don't know if it's some psycho who just wants to kill you and walk off or blame it on thinking you were game.

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Every state should have a law like Texas........No shooting from a public road.

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In British Columbia generally there is a statutory prohibition against shooting from public roads. Most highways have a quarter mile "no discharge of firearms" strip either side of centre line. It is used to stop road hunting. I don't think its generally enforced from the position of a guy hunting towards a highway from the bush. They generally wouldn't even notice if you walked in from bush-side and whacked your critter 300 yards from a quiet road. Many mainline logging roads get banned in regs. Most smaller logging roads are ok.

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Good point! I've been hunting for 25 years and only have one really bad story.

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And the right to hunt is bound to ownership of the ground.

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Are you saying that in order to hunt on a piece of property you must own it?

East of the Mississippi River, most hunting is on privately-owned land --farms and woodlands. Landowner permission must be gained first, otherwise the crime of Trespass is committed and the local sheriff will enforce the law if called. Nearly all of the hunters try to keep up good relations with the landowners who let them hunt.

However, there is a trend: city people who can afford to buy land now will buy rural land and immediately post "No Hunting, No Trespassing" signs. Depending on their attitude, this can either mean no hunting, or the usual hunting-by-permission. The signs preserve some legal rights and are an assertion of ownership.

State-owned public lands, such as State Forests, usually are open to hunting. However, it is best not to hunt there due to the "city" crowd using these areas. They tend to be excited, anxious to shoot deer, and not always able to identify their targets as well as they should. They merit each other's company....

Much of the western United States is public land, but that does not always mean public access is approved. In the interest of bandwidth, I should leave further discussion of the western hunting situation to others. I hope this helps your understanding of the situation, and that we do work with the problems you've seen outlined here. Certainly, there are many laws we can use to discipline people who need discipline.

Land is almost entirely owned by timber companies that allow basically unlimited public access for recreation (hunting, fishing, camping, snowmobiling).

In the less pressured areas it would be newsworthy to see another hunter all day.

In the more heavily hunted areas you see lots of them. But hardly any of them will stray from the roads or the more recent logging trails. (After huddling over an impromptu campfire until 9:00 PM one night when I missed a turn around a saddle on the way back to the truck, I can tell you why ...)

This isn't always unproductive; the last week I was there someone shot a probable B&C non-typical from his "roadside stand." (Maine only prohibits shooting from, on or near *paved* roads.)

The old rule of getting a mile from the road is more than adequate there. In 8 days of covering a lot of ground, I never met anyone off the road at all -- my partner saw one guy. I think I saw unfamiliar bootprints 2 or 3 times.

Of course, all of this goes hand in hand with a success rate in the mid-single digits.

John

Things have changed and will change even more, but it's young men like yourself who have to preserve the tradition that some of us have laid at your feet. Are you going to except that responsibility or just "quit hunting", the future of hunting is up to you....

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