Thanks again all of the kind words. I never ment for this to turn into a pissin contest. I took these photos to share with the people here who I thought would enjoy the, Most have. Again thanks all.
DB, NICK, B51, no hard feelings and sorry for the bashing in you general direction...

Buell, man I dont know what your problem is, I really dont care at this point. I dont judge people by their daddys fortune, nor the cars they drive, only by their hard work and how they raise there family. I am a simple working man and only care about my family and providing for them. I hope you grow out of daddys grasp and start doing some things for yourself.

Sincerely,
Jason
JAG

Time for me to jump in here too.

Very nice bear, JAG, be very proud of him!

I see absolutely nothing wrong with posting bloody hunt photos. I'm sure some of you have seen mine. If you've critcized them, I've missed it, as I know some of you read on the African forum. Am I sensitive? Nope, not to these, but the sniping and name calling is uncalled for. That is very unsporting.

I often do post photos of entry and exit wounds from my game. This, at the request of fellow hunters HERE who want to know how certain calibers perform in the field. I do not feel these are offensive. We hunt animals, they die as a result of it, most of the time. I also am interested in what was responsible for the success of the hunt.

I DO like to pose my animals, in what I consider nicely. I always have, but it is my way of presenting my trophy. I'm sure it doesn't please everyone but that is the way it is. Especially since I am female and criticism can run deep when people find out I am a hunter. If someone wants to take photos of an animal in his truck bed, so be it. It's his trophy! I'm glad he too the time to share his bear. Most likely, in the heat of excitement, the pop cans/bottles were not noticed. SO WHAT!!!

Yep, I celebrate big time when I get a clean kill on a hard hunted animal! Why shouldn't I? It's food for my table or someone elses. I celebrated a heaping bowl of venison stew I made Saturday and remembered every detail of the hunt that killed that deer.

That fellow who shot the big nontypical whitetail in Ohio a couple years ago signs photos of himself and the deer in his truck bed. In fact, Primos uses that very same photo on game calls! That photo made that man a millionare.

These forums are starting to go the way of Hunt America and some others where people brow beat each other for no good reason. I sure hate to see that. You'd think as hunters, we would be above snooty attitudes. If something doesn't work for "you" personally it doesn't mean your are in the right.

Do I come from high society, low society or something inbetween? No, I come from a place that taught me if you don't have anything nice to say keep your comments to yourself. I'd politely ask some of you to please rethink your negative comments before posting them here.

JAG

Congratulations! Great bear and great photo.

Post your story and pictures on www.24hourcampfire.com I'm sure they'll be appreciated. Also, there's a whole bunch of other fellow Oregonians over there come join the campfire.

Again, good job and be proud.

If you want your animals to look pretty for the picture, sling your rifle and carry a camera. Hunting involves blood and gore. We all know that. It was the point of the entire post to show the effectiveness of the rounds he used while hunting. The pictures did that very well.

IMO, Jag showed remarkable respect and constraint on his hunt. He waited for a good shot to present itself and executed it perfectly. The fact that the bear was dead before it heard to gun shot attests to the sportsmanship of this hunter and his character as a human being. Don't rag on him because he isn't confused enough to beleive he shoots and the bear dies and that's it. Face it, bullets do damage, hopefully alot. That's the whole point. Anybody who think a little blood in the picture or some garbage in the back of the hunting rig is inconsiderate or unsportsmanlike is full of it. Most of us here are hunters and all of us expect a little blood from something that has just been shot.

Congrats on your bear. Shesa beaut!

[ 10-21-2002, 23:06: Message edited by: FarRight ]

JAG,well done,count me in with Aspen and the others,we asked for details and recieved them.Nothing more nothing less.
Enjoy the roasts,I always thought they were the best

JAG,

Congrats on a beautiful trophy taken cleanly. To this day I can not understand the "respect to the dead animal" part in the equation of hunting. When we take a life all the respect given at that time won't change the fact that an animal is dead. No matter how we try to sugar coat it and justify its importance, hunting is and will always be a blood sport. Like someone else mentioned earlier, at what time after taking a trophy are we respectful? When we are elbow deep in guts while cleaning the animal? While we are skinning it with blood all over our shoes and clothes? Or when we go through the gut pile to see how badly our bullet damaged the lungs?

Taking pictures of a posing trophy is all nice and dandy, but I think pictures posted by JAG and Aspen Hill Farm have more character to them and depict the reality of hunting much better.

Just my $.02

[ 10-22-2002, 00:37: Message edited by: buffalo_buster ]

JAG,

Obviously, you are in need of my considerable talents of posing and photographing game animals. Obviously, from some of the input here, you need a woman's touch on your pictures so I would bring my wife, let her tie a ribbon around his neck, curl his hair a bit, maybe put a smile on his face, and a little eye make up and rouge on his cheeks and that picture would be palatable to the most PC of forum posters. Heck, just so it wouldn't seem a little TOO much PC, we could even throw a blue tarp over all the cans and bottles (but leave the truck bed exposed to show obvious pride in truck ownership. Have to keep a little redneck touch in the pictures or you might come off little "Buellish" and ruin your sparkling reputation.
Just let me know if you are in need of my services- my prices are cheap, usually a summer steelhead fishing trip on the Deschutes will do nicely! - Sheister

You could have pushed all of the cans out of your truck and left them in the middle of the road.

Good thing it wasn't the back of my truck, they would have hung me.

Helluva kill.

Hello, all! This is more of what I had expected. People happy to share in the hunt and celebrate it was done with care and in a safe manner.

Thanks again my fellow hunters as today your true colors shine!

Sincerely,
Jason Gifford
JAG

Your family does make a difference for sure, not always, as my sister is pretty messed up, but she is adopted, Im not, but she kind of had a ruff early few years.

About the photos, my opinion still stands as they are disrespectful to the bear. There is almost nothing I hate more in the hunting world when animals are treated as objects rather than living creatures, or in the dead as trash.

Yeah I probably do need to be more courteous to others, but I rarely take the first step, so I guess Im ------ for now.

What a dick!

Buell,

There must be some better place for you to be than on this forum.

Respect of other people is what I think is most important in life so I can't tell you the words that you are using here on the forum. So please behave or leave.

LOL at/with Spike!

Regards,
JAG

CC-

Why? I am sure you and others find my choice of words equally as offensive as I find JAG's pictures, so should I ask him to leave, too?

Do you find this picture offensive?

JAG, Congrads!
Those of us that get out and find our own game, shoot it ourselves, clean it ourselves, butcher, and cook our own are just peasants. I guess unless your paying $10,000 for someone else to finish off your gutshot 150 pound monster your a nobody. I'm with you all the way. You know what I even keep a NON-FINCLIPED steelhead every once in a while. Its legal, but so-cal outdoors men want-to-bees don't like it. Hell some of us hillbillies from Oregon think its even ethical to hunt with hounds. Go figure. Why don't you pretty boys that don't ever sweat keep your high priced "hunting ethics" to youself. I wish I had pictures of some of the "ethical" out of state pretty boy hunters to post. Spotlighting in peoples front yards. Gut shooting everything they point at. Bags of trash left laying around there camp sites. What a bunch of self righteous crap.

Do you find this offensive too?

Now you truley have shown your age now POS! And to awser you question, I dont find it offensive at all, its history and I am not of jewish decent. But I bet there are more then one who you have just totally pissed off! Not to smart littleboy!

Regards,
JAG

Comparing hollocost victims to game animals. You deserve to be pounded into a hospital bed. The proplem with nazi's is we didn't kill enough of them.

Rogue Six-

I actually believe it's the hillbillies that break the most game laws. Why would a wealthy person risk that? If anything they are going to be hunting with guides and outfitters that cost more then some hillbillies make a year, not poaching like some hillbilly white trash idiots.

Yeah I bet Prince William on his TWO MONTH African hunt just poached up a storm...

Buell

JAG, thanks for sharing. If I had that bear I would be happy about it and want to share with friends also. Bear is/can be very good eating, and I know of several that swear the rendered lard is the absolute best for pie crust and pastry. That hide would be beautiful tanned.

Buell, answer the phone, it's Axel wanting to talk, I think.

Rogue 6-

Let me guess, you're going to be the one to do it right? I dare you, then when your gun and hunting rights get taken, as well as any future money you make you can still resort to poaching...

I wouldn't expect JAG to feel anything by the pictures I posted, hell, he is one of the only people Ive ever heard of on this board after a couple years that they don't at all feel anything (but egotistical excitement)...

Yeah when I look at them I feel pretty bad that people are capable of doing such things to each other over race for one, and to put further insult to injury the things that were actually done to these LIVE people in photo two, for example, they are truly horrid.

Im 18 years old and have managed to make a few elders get their panties in a bunch... You're the ones that need to grow up, hell I cant get much worse..

BUELL= AXEL, ya you POS!

You are of the same breed, inbreeding is never good, you have proven that.

JAG

You all dont even know what I was "offended" by, if thats even the correct word to use. Ive shot plently of animals myself, I dont care about that, I just didnt like placing the animal amongst the trash and even having trash mixed in with the animals legs.

I doubt half of you respondents didnt even read the entire thread, which figures...

Buell

JAG,

Why dont you act your age and get some class, or is that even in your obviously limited capacity...

Nothig else to get more reassurance you need in your pathetic existence??

[ 10-22-2002, 05:58: Message edited by: Buell ]

Buell, at what point are you going to start to make any sense? Just wondering.

JAG

Yeah keep at it...

Dont have a good enough arguement any more???

Buell, you still dont get it do you. I dont need to reply, you are destroying yourself here. Pretty funny actually. All of this because I dont take my pop can back that often... LOL!
Talk to you later TROLL... AXEL?

JAG

So, by your standards Buell I should be ashamed of the picture of my 8 1/2 foot tall brown bear that charged me and my dad. We shot it 8 times 6 while it ran and 2 more when he was down and there is quite a bit of blood shown. But it is one of my favorite hunting memories. Does this make me a bad person? Bad because I took the bear on in his own turf and bested him.

[ 10-22-2002, 06:05: Message edited by: Dark Paladin ]

JAG-

Unlike you I dont need other peoples reassurance to feel good about myself, so I dont give a fuck what you or these other hillbillies think about me, not that it even matters, this is the internet you know, dont you?

Paladin-

No, as long as you dont take the pictures or lay the bear amongst trash, I think it would be great, dont you think? Im not at all against the photos of taken animals, but I am not the only one that thinks taking the pictures amongst garbage is very tasteful. Thats what this is about, nothing else, mind you.

Insults are the mark of the weak but yet you call people whitetrash and hillbillies,before you post again maybe you should get your tongue out of Prince Wiliams ass... fucking asswipe

Buell, fuck you, thats not trash in the truck, those SOB's are worth a nickel a peice! And for a workin class guy like me who doesnt live on daddys money thats some serious change! WHOOO HOOO! Hell I bet if you collected all of the cans in the back of every persons rig from this board we could afford those new AR hats for every member, except you of course. oh.. the tardy bells ringin, better run back to class AXEL.

LAter TROLL

JAG

Nice bear Jag, but .....
I agree the bloody photos are pretty distasteful to be posting on the internet.
I've got a few photos of my own game that look like that, and sure wish I would have layed the game over in the brush in a more natural setting, concealed some of the blood and taken some good quality photos.

Tell me where exactly we went from hunting to the Holocuast? Tell me how exactly this hunter deserves to be compared to Hitler?

Buell, you went too far. You may not have been wrong--you are entitled to your opinion--but you crossed a line. It was childish and immature. And what pisses me off the most is that you don't have the balls to admit it.

I want to see you try and explain how severed human limbs and executing Jews has anything to do with Jag taking this fine black bear. Jag was not only completely legal in everything he did, but he fullfilled every moral obligation--assuming of course that he eats the bear.

This is sick. I am glad we get this out of our systems now. Cause if I get something this season, I know who to watch out for. I will want to share my memories with those of you who realize that this is hunting, that we are indeed killing something, and that THIS IS NOT A F@#$ING DISNEY MOVIE!! Some people are too childish to argue with.

Let me help ya there Buell, its RAINER CANS for hillbllies, and Hamms for rednecks.

LOL
JAG

Man, as much as I hesitate to respond to this thread I am going to anyway. I just barely found this discussion and find it funny that it deteriorated into a debate centering on socioeconomic class.

Hunting does involve blood and gore and we all know that and yes, a man can take any type of photo of any critter that he wants and that is OK too. When you post them online however, you are going to get comments and maybe criticisms and that too is to be expected sometimes. Just like if you posted a picture of yourself and a Bison after a "hunt" on some lower-48 ranch. You are going to get comments like "where is the ear tag or brand on the animal" just because some folks feel that you have done a disservice to hunting, a sport that we all love, in your actions.

As far as my opinions . . . the blood is to be expected but the garbage is a bit too much. Why do I care? Well, because other folks who aren't as tolerant of this sort of thing are going to see these photos and form opinions about hunting. Then someday I might meet those folks and say "I'm a hunter". Do I want them remembering these photos when I say that? No thanks.

JMHO,

JohnTheGreek

Steiny, pretty funny that you have the nerve to enter this thread and saythat about my pics when another has posted pics of the holocost. You are entitled to your opinions but should really check your priorities.

Bear/pop cans vs. holocost, body parts?

ANother thing, read the entire thread, and you will find I am not going to pose game for you, Buell or anyone.

JAG

JTG,
Well said. I disagree, but thats cool. You and some others here seem to weigh too much on the trash in my truck. Yep, you could see it in the pic. Yep it was there when I took the pic. Yep, It could be looked at and seen as "disrespectful" by antis. Are we soupposed to hide in fear from these people? I will not go out of my way to make it easier for them to stomach. I exacuted a near perfect hunt. Very quick clean kill after making sure to get a perfect shot. I have no regrets nor do I feel "bad" for posting those picks. I have nothing to hide.

AGain well said JTG, but I diagree.

Regards,
JAG

Thanx JTG. You voiced your opinions well and refrained from Holocaust pics and what not. your restraint is appreciated and I do respect your opinion.

I stand convinced that it is futile to try and please everybody. Some people will nit pick on the smallest, stupidest things and make such a big deal out of it. It really is pathetic.

This season I hope to shoot something. If I, as a self esteemed redneck, proud country boy, and general all around hick can figure out how, I intend to post pics. I apologize in advance if some tender heart is offended by the blood, any trash that sneaks into the picture, or anything else that doesn't meet your approval. I assure you I didn't do it intentionally.