I got a chance to shoot a few of Federal's new 30-06 150 gr Fusion ammo yesterday.

I got nice 1" groups, and the velocity was right on at 2876 with a published velocity of 2900, so that was very close.

I this touted to be "the" Deer bullet for release this fall.

Terry, where can I read some more info on this bullet??

Terry
Yep if what I've read on it so far is the Gospel it sounds like a winner for sure!

Mauser96
Try a google search on it. (Federal Fusion Ammo)

Thanks, I'll give it a go.

www.fusionammo.com



They are really hyping this bullet as the answer for the "high-tech" hunter.

I thought the marketing was kinda cheesy - - - but that doesn't affect whether it is a great bullet or not.

Question, they are marketing this a the ULTIMATE DEER bullet.

But if this bullet lives up to it's hype, I can't see why a 180 gr in the 30.06 wouldn't make an excellent moose/elk load.

Thoughts???

There was a writeup on it in one of the rags, and it is a really innovative bullet. No jacket, all electroplated, and pre-scored expansion joints. Not a bad concept, should be a good bullet, if you like lead. JMO, Dutch.

I think it might be a OK deal, if it shoots and performs well at a decent price. If it is too high priced, I will stick with one of the premium loadings

Dutch, do you remember which magazine?

Ninety percent weight retention from an electroplated bullet? Interesting... especially if they're accurate.

If they don't jack the prices out of reach and make them available to handloaders, I'll try some.

Russ

Russ, heck if I remember, guns and ammo, maybe? I'll run over to Barnes and Noble and see if I can find it tonight.... Dutch.

There is also a small mention about it in the latest NRA American Hunter in the section about "new" things for 2005.

Apparently the bullet is made like the Speer Gold Dot bullets and the Remington Plated Hollow Points(PLHPs). It is fairly easy to get a Lead core formed so it is straight and balanced. Then the jacket is "Plated Onto" the Lead, so the jacket just can't separate.

The 22cal 50gr Rem PLHP is one of my favorite inexpensive bullets. It is amazingly accurate for the cost and works great on Varmints.

A retired Winchester Rep I know has used the 80gr 0.243" Rem PLHP on his Mule Deer hunts for longer than I've known him and has a solid string of 1-shot kills in his 6mmRem M70.

So, the design concept is well tested and is also found in the Remington Ultra Core-Lokt.

The only way a bullet of that design can loose weight is if the mouth expands enough so a thin segment is torn loose during the transition through the Game.

Russel,
The artical I read was in the last issue of Rifleshooter magazine. The report indicated the price would be about the same as regular bullets.

Ho hum.

Yep the claim is it is to replace their low price line Hi-Shok's. This bullet designs been around a long time. I shot the Speer .44 mag metalic silhoutte bullets in the late 80's or early 90's they were the 1st of this type I think.
Saw an article where Boddington potted an Elk with it in a 06 with 180 Fusion if memory serves. Seemed to like it fine.

Heres the list:-
.243 win.; 95 gr
.270 win.; 130, 150 gr
7mm Rem mag; 150, 175 gr
7mm Wsm; 150 gr
30-30 win; 150, 170 gr
.308 win; 150, 165, 180 gr
same for 06, .300 win mag
.300wsm; 165, 180 gr
45-70; 300gr
Thats the starting lineup more to come later so they said.
Far as I can see it looks like they figure it will take bigger game to with the hvy bullets just fine.

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Originally posted by smallfry:
Ho hum.

What is the point of your post?? You sound bored. Why not another hiatus?

The Boddington article I mentioned in case you want to check it out was from the Guns&Ammo Feb 05 edition. Its the best info I've seen on this bullet so far.

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Originally posted by Russell E. Taylor:
Dutch, do you remember which magazine?

Ninety percent weight retention from an electroplated bullet? Interesting... especially if they're accurate.

If they don't jack the prices out of reach and make them available to handloaders, I'll try some.

Russ

The article is on pg.28 of March/April RifleShooter.

We'll see if it lasts any longer than the Deep-Shok did. Now, there was a bullet.

RSY

I agree. The deep-shok was a kick-arse bullet. too bad they discontinued it.

Despite the compelling add campaign there, I can't say I'm particularly convinced that this bullet will do anything the existing middle-of-the-road bullets (Hornady Interlock, Winchester Super-X, etc) do substantially better. There are an awful lot of deer out there who aren't any less dead because someone used the old standards... It just seems to me that deer aren't particularly difficult to kill and this bullet is a solution to a problem nobody has. It's certainly not the only bullet to have high weight retention. Nor is it the only one capable of .75" groups (not that all of the manufacturers don't claim that.) Maybe it's just me, but it seems like a thinly-veiled attempt to sell hunters one more thing we don't need/already have...

I think I'll stick w/ NBTs. This bullet is going to be just like any other middle of the road bullet out.

Why not just buy Sierra GKs, Hdy ILs, or Speer Hot Cores and get time proven performance.

Not saying it will be a bad bullet, just saying advertising hype is all that makes it sound so good.

Just look at Sierra's advertisement claim that their GKSP holds up better than Hdy Interbond, Nosler Accubond, and others. Hogwash.

Reloader

I'll stick with my remington core lokts for a good deer bullet.

Guys, this ammo is supposed to be competitively priced to Winchester Super x, Rem Core-locks, etc.

IF that is the case....why not give it a go?

The age old complaint of Bullet/Jacket seperation is not possible with this bullet. So, although I'm a firm believer in the cup and core bullets FOR DEER (and I reload) I'd still try a box of these if the price is reasonable.

Prices at Sportsmans Warehouse are $12.50 for the 30-30 and $15.50 for the rest of the non-magnums that are available at this time which are 30-06, .270win and 308win...the 300WM is $21.50.
The 150gr 30-06 ammo shoots excellent in a friends UltraComp. That's 5 shots at 100yds...
http://www.wholesalehunter.com/product/federal/feddesc/fedecenterfire.htm