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Get the CZ, bed it and have it feed reliably and don�t look back.
As a bonus, You will not have to deal with the sako "wedge" of bases.

I have never hunted in Africa, but I have both rifles (The hunter in 375 thou)

All this is pure BS of course if You are partial to the sako , get the rifle You want.

All the best

//Jens

Both cartridges propel a 400 gr. bullet at 2400 fps., so the ballistics will be about the same either way.

I like handy, quick-handling rifles best.

AD

I like te Rigby personally.

Regards PC.

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The 416 Remington is compromised somewhat in this department, but can do everything the Rigby can (except about 150 - 200 fps slower). I haven't hunted Finland so I have no idea if you would ever need to make a 550 meter shot. It is a necessity sometimes over here in the US (although some of the holier than thoughs will say otherwise, I sometimes wonder if these guys are really hunters or just talker and dreamers though).

Todd E

If I want to shoot things way out younder I don't need to try and make a silk purse out of a Sows ear...I will simply use my other rifle, like a 300 or 338 with lighter bullets...

They are both DGRs and thats all they are IMHO.

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For dangerous game give me a stopping rifle! Unfortunately a 416 anything ain't a stopper.

Todd E

I would agree with Ray in general on 416s in the context of your post.

The recoil of the 375 is upper limit for precision shooting, especially from improvised rests and for lots of shots.

I would even go one step further and say the 375 is too much when fully loaded as opposed to original Kynoch ballistics. That is 270 grainers at about 2600 and only 60 grains of powder.

I have no problem with a 378, 416 or 460 Wby across the sandbags on a benchrest. However, I have to allow for recoil in the field with that level of recoil and improvised rests. That means a loss in precision.

In short, I can shoot up to 375 the same way I would shoot a 270. But can't do it with 416 and up.

You should try a 416 or 458 across a sandbag that is sitting on top of the rear vision mirror on the door of the vehichle.

I have yet to see anyone use more than 375 without some compromise being made.

Mike

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In the US (at least everywhere I have hunted) it is beau coupe illegal to shoot from a vehicle (especially the cab); therefore, I have not shot in that position and most likely never will. Besides if you can get a pickup or land cruiser into the high country after elk to shoot from it I would be greatly impressed! This is typically horse and/or foot travelling country, not Australia's outback.

I am sorry that you CANNOT shoot a big bore accurately. I fortunately CAN. It does take practice and discipline to learn to tolerate the recoil. Some people cannot get there from here. I personally don't find a 375's recoil to of much significance at all. I have shot 7mm Mags that beat me up far worse than a 375.

My exception to Ray's post was that he seemed to claim that a 300 or 338 was as good as a 416 in killing animals at long range (therefore any range).

Todd E

Same size,weight and handling characteristics as the 416Rem but more "Oooomph",should you deem it necessary.

I am going to try and build one this year..........

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Originally posted by Todd E:
Ray,
I Switched to the Rigby and was shooting 325gr X-bullets at 2970 fps. The ballistic trajectory was almost the equal of the 300 Weatherby.

Todd E

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Todd, I'm curious.

What is the drop of a 325gr .416 caliber bullet after 600 yards?

I don't have the BC for that bullet, but it appears that it is a bit over 100 inches, or around 8 feet.

Rick.

Check your email. I don't usually share this information. Those are max or near max loads so back off 10% and work your way up.

Rick,
With a 250 yard zero drop off is around 60 inches. That amounts to 10 minutes or 40 clicks on my scope. My 300 Win Mag drops almost exactly the same with a 180 Hornady and quite a bit more with a 180 Nosler partition.

Todd E

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The .416 Rem Mag, for all practical purposes, has all of the power of the Rigby but is available in a lighter and cheaper format. Sure, you can load up a .416 Rigby to Weatherby velocities but why would you since the 400 grain solid at 2400fps will penetrate the skull of any pachyderm on the planet? More velocity (even a simple 150 or 200 fps) just equals more recoil and may result in some funky bullet performance.

JMHO,

JohnTheGreek

I have a 11 pound Rigby and a friends Rigby weighs 10 pounds. Personally, I like the 10 pounder best. Just enough weight to keep the recoil comfortable and not too much weight to wear you down toting it all day.

I mean for crying out loud this is a big bore it kicks pretty good. Weight is your friend. We aren't talking about 300 WSM mountain rifles are we?

Todd E