Instead of cartiridges you "hate", how about carts. you would never own? I will probably never buy a .270 or .300 win mag., not because I hate them, I just have no use for them. Same probably goes for the .30-06, but I did buy one for my son's first elk rifle. I figure he could always sell it easily if he decided never to hunt again.

I would never own anything "Ultra Mag" because I don't need the range (at the cost of noise and recoil).

Any rifle cartridge with the word "Magnum" in it's name, unless it's got a H&H in it also.

Fred,

After checking into the Remington situatation with the Walker trigger and unanticipated discharges of their rifles, I am turned off by Remington firearms. I won't be buying any unless they fix that problem.

Their refusal to address a known design defect in the Walker trigger is a danger to shooters and hunters, and just more ammunition for the antis who are trying to have firearms regulated by the Consumer Product Safety Commission.

jim dodd

I stand with Hunter Jim on this.

Jack Belk also made the point that we should speak out to our gun companies before it's taken out of our hands by government.

I have had 700's in various calibers, and when I first heard of this problem, I think it was about 20 some years ago, I got rid of them and decided to not buy any Rem products till they addressed the issue. I thought that the issue had gone away till I read the thread in "Gunsmithing". It is still unaddressed by the company. By gone away, I don't mean resolved, just ignored. They have a duty to be proactive in addressing the issue, just as the gunowner has a duty to address safety. I concur with above posts.

Tailgunner,

Wow! No magnums?

The only good Remington, is the Remington that don't leave the factory.

I'll never own any rifle that shoots a cartridge with "Ultra", "STW", "STE", "Ackley Improved", or Weatherby in its name.

270 anything, any magnum bigger than 264 and any handgun bigger than 44 mag. I won't buy any rifle that kills on both ends regardless of what I'm hunting.

I always said I would Never own a .270 or a .30-06, just because everyone has one. I have hunted with a good range of deer cartridges like 243, 30-30, .260rem, .280,.308win, 7mmRM,& 300Win. Today I use a .270 Winchester. Why? In my opinion it is the perfect balance of speed, Power, Flat trajectory, and comfortable recoil. Also, it's not as fussy as the others, as far as accuracy goes.
My other big game rifle is a .338win, so I guess I have no need for a 30-06, at this time.

All though if I found a nice '06 in a Pre-64 M70, my hand might be forced!

I'd put 30/06 on this list, but you never know, i might get the inkling for an M1 Garand.

so, 30/06 ommitted, here's the list:

270 anything
7.62x54R
7 STW
7 RUM
300 RUM
22/250
260 Rem
338/06 (only b/c it's too redundant with a 9.3x62 around)
35 Rem
35 Whelen (for the same reason as the 338/06)
9.3x72R

[ 03-19-2003, 01:00: Message edited by: Curtis_Lemay ]

A Winchester rifle in anything

Or:
Any of the WSMs--not by any fault of its own, simply me getting tired of people telling me it is better than my 7mm Rem Mag or that my 7mm is obsolete cause it has a belt. Sorry, not about to jump on this bandwagon simply cause the ads tell me too.
A 280 Rem (too redundent to the .270 w/o the bullet weight of the .30/06--basically useless)

Other than that, just about everything is fair game...

[ 03-19-2003, 01:39: Message edited by: FarRight ]

Any boring, played to death cartridge like 30-06, 270, or 308. Been there done that. They make much better cartridges nowadays. Yes this comment is directed to all close minded RUM, RSUM, WSM haters. Welcome to the new millenium.

Amen recoiljunky !

recoiljunky, Herb D
Millions of Riflemen Can't be wrong! They are popular for a reason.

I might draw the line at 20mm but never say never. The plain truth is that if it goes "bang" I would probably give it a try. The only place I might seriously draw the line is black powder. Just more trouble than its worth. I have never really enjoyed shooting black powder or the rifles/pistols that use it. Would really like to try the 50 BMG at long range though.

Open a reloading manual and look at the contents. That's close to a list of what I won't own. I've had 300 Winchester magnums as my mainstay and have played with 270 Winchesters, and owned on 338. I fired 9 rounds out of the 338 then went looking for its new owner. I'm not afraid to admit that I don't like recoil. I've sold all of my 300 winchesters and replaced them with a 300 WSM. I still have a custom barreled stainless 270 but will sell it soon. I have a 270 WSM to replace it. I doubt I will ever own any of the old cartriges again. In rifles, I wouldn't own a Ruger bolt. I wouldn't own any of the import bolt guns, Sako heading the list. I haven't owned a Remington rifle, but as a reired law enforcment officer, I can tell you that there isn't a finer pump shotgun made than the 870. The county has one that they had not cleaned in something like 20 years just to see how long it would take to malfuntion. It was used almost daily and had yet to quit.

In fact, I won't own most things. That's the short of it. I'm happy with what I have.
Well, I do have my eye on a new fishing boat.

And electric trolling motor.

An Alaska hunting trip.

An African hunting trip.

So much to do, and so little time.

I won't own any of the new wiz-bang magnums, at least for ten or so years, to see if you can still by ammo and componenets. Five years ago one of my local gun stores was touting the 7mmSTW as the caliber to end all calibers, as was most of the gun press. Haven't seen too many lately...

Considering I doubt that there is a nickles worth of difference in most of our cartridges, I think it is silly to "hate" a cartridge, or any inadament object for that matter. I'd own any of them if I liked the rifle...

If one won't own a magnum caliber then I suggest he not hunt magnum animals...

Mark G, The reason why millions of shooters own these "boring" cartridges is that these are the cartridges that were available at the time of purchase (you couldn't buy the RUM, RSAUM, WSM, or WSSM ten years ago, let alone ninety years ago). Today, if someone says "I'll never buy one of those RUMs or RSAUM or WSM or WSSM they are just verbalizing their inability to keep pace with progress. I understand if you're a reloader and you have found that secret recipe for 30'06 that produces the knock down of a 460 with the trajectory of a 25-06 the recoil of a 22 and the consistency of a 50BMG, but who has. If you have an old favorite fine, but people who dismiss all of the new cartridges seem to me to be close minded and ignorant.

Buzz, I bet people had a similar conversation upon the advent of smokeless powder. Sure the old cartridges work. That is no reason to question the validity of the new cartridges. Why would a hunter who was in the market for a medium caliber rifle choose an old reliable. Fear of availability of ammo? Walmart sells the new stuff. What if Walmart quits selling the new stuff? I reload. I choose to compair ballistics of the various cartridges, both old and new. What can an '06 do better than a 300 WSM? More power with a shorter bolt through is appealing to me.

I won't own a 30-06, 300WM,7mmRM, 44-40 or similar, a 30-30,a Winchester anything, a ... well wait theres an easier way.

I want to own or do own a .308, and 45-70 an am looking at 340Wby/338WM, 416RM, and maybe a 270WSM. I think this battery serves all my possible needs add aRemington 11-87 Super Magnum 12Ga and I'm good to go.

So anything not listed is not wanted or needed.

No Ultras or Weatherby cartriges. Nothing over .45 caliber. Otherwise its all good. Hell, I would even try a .22 Hornet.

Magnum animals Ray?

I won't own a 30-06 other than my Garand. I do think the 30-06 cartridge looks cool compared to the .270, as the bullet is fatter and looks "meaner."

I'm not interested in any of the Ultra Mags, because they have capabilities beyond my own. There would be zero difference between a moose shot at 300 yards with a .300 UM compared to a .300 WM.

Because I have only so much cash to put towards rifles, I would top out at a .416.

I would have no problem SHOOTING one of Saeeds evil big guns- it would be fun. But I probably wouldn't own one!

[ 03-20-2003, 08:03: Message edited by: Gatehouse ]

Regarding the defective Remington triggers, please enlighten me on the specific problem, as I own (2) model 700's and am curious.
Thanks, Craig

Sorry guys, but I own an 7 RUM and 2 of the dreaded Weatherby's; I like the powerful magnums, even though they may be inefficient and redundant. The same way I love fast and powerful cars; they go from point A to B just like slower and more mundane cars, but are a hell of a lot more fun in transit! In truth, there isn't a cartridge or gun that I don't like, for the most part. I have been a hunting/gun fanatic since childhood, and hope to own many more than my current inventory of 25 guns before I cash it in!!

Craig

recoiljunky,

You're missing my point. If you already have a .30-06 why would you sell it to get a .300 WSM? Unless you just wanted one (not that there is anything wrong with just that) there isn't any real world practical "field" difference between them to matter for deer / black bear / boar / etc.

The "Short Magnum" craze is hardly a revolution in cartridge design, especially when compared to the invention of smokless powder.

The bottom line is millions of people have bought .30-06 and .270 rifles because they just flat out get the job done and there will never be any problems finding ammo for them.

I will never own an Ultra mag or a 06. I have a .308 and there is no real point, in my eyes, to pick one up. I also will never own any of the various 22 centerfire cartridges. I have no use for them at all. Ha o yea, wont ever need a 416 or 700 either.

Buzz, You too are missing the point. Nothing is wrong with the new cartridges but some folks simply want to discount the whole bunch with negative retoric. The cartridges are improvements on a basic concept (ok, my smokeless powder analogy might have been a stretch). Maybe folks around here just aren't as into firearms like I am.

It's alot like women (or men if you are a woman), cars or food, it's what you like, for no real reason or the other. I think many people have bought or will buy their rifles based on what their family & friends shoot. My uncles & cousins all shoot an 06 or .270 because their fathers did, which is probably why I DON'T. Then again, most of my family are not gun cranks either. Most will never hunt outside the US or shoot anything bigger than a deer.
There are just too many choices for me to go w/ the "norm".