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Hello all, I haven't done much big game hunting (although I've been a dove/quail hunter in AZ for 20 years), but I was wondering what your opinion was on the .300 H&H for Mule deer and/or Elk. Most of my hunting will be done in Arizona. I just had a Win Model 70 in .300 H&H (done by a very good gunsmith) given to me. Just curious to hear some opinions. [This message has been edited by JLHeard (edited 05-11-2001).] | ||
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If you are a reloader just think 300 Winchester and then add some real class. Only problem with a 300 H&H in a Model 70 is that it almost demands that you also have Model 70 in 375 H&H. Mike | |||
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JL, You have an excellent round. The 300 H&H is the only round I use at this time. I have taken from prairie dogs to elk with mine. My elk was a one shot kill. In my opinion the 300 H&H makes the perfect all around rifle. | |||
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Just purchased a Pre-64 M70 in 300 H&H. I have not even had a chance to pick it up. I bought it from a guy who is a serious collector (I bought my Pre-64 M70 30-06 from him) and he said other than a NIB rifle, this is one of the best condition standard grade rifles he has seen in a long while. There is nothing that the 300 Win Mag (I have one also) can do that a handloaded 300 H&H can't do. To top it off, the 300 H&H in a Pre-64 M70 is truly a classic round in a classic rifle. I currently have two other Pre-64 M70's in great condition, a .270 and 30-06. Both of these rifles are unbelievably accurate. So now, I'm hooked on the Pre-64 M70. Unfortunately for me, Mike375 is dead on about the unwritten rule that a 300H&H M70 requires a 375H&H M70. The guy I'm buying my 300H&H from also has a Pre-64 M70 375H&H in pristine condition (I have already seen and handled this rifle) and he has it on hold for me. I'm sure that when I get up there to pick up my 300H&H that I will not be able to resist buying its big brother, the 375H&H. The scary thing is that I already have a great Sako M75 375H&H that is also incredibly accurate. I'm sure Mike375 would say that you can't have too many 375's. Tim | |||
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Actually I do have Model 70 in .375 H&H. I got both of these guns as presents for graduation from law school (I graduate in a week). I've shot the .375 (a Safari Classic with a 3-9x varible Leopuld) and I absolutely love it. I realize it's a little big for most Arizona animals, but my dad and I hope to make a trip to Alaska in the next year or two. (Although I'll probably use it the next time I go elk hunting) From reading Captstick and Ruark, I've heard a lot about the .375, but I was somewhat unfamilar with the .300 H&H. I plan on using a Burris 3-9x varible with the balistic reticle on my .300 (a Classic Super Grade). And thank you all for you comments. I've been so busy with school that its been a few years since I last went hunting. I'm about to go crazy | |||
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In the Model 70 you have what is arguably the best bolt action sporting rifle ever created, and in the 300 H&H you have what is arguably the best medium caliber ever produced! It's fully adequate for anything native to North America, and for anything in Africa or elsewhere except the big five. Your .375 will take care of all of those. With those two, you have arguably the best combination of high power rifles for the world. | |||
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| <allen day> |
I'm a dedicated .300 Winchester shooter, but if I owned a good .300 H&H, I'd hunt mule deer and elk with it in a heartbeat, as well as a lot of other stuff. It's a great, classic cartridge, generally very accurate, and simple to load for. Go for it! AD | ||
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Count me in for the .300 H&H as well!. I have a Win M70 .300 H&H and love it. I've killed pronghorn, whitetail, mule deer, and elk with mine and it does a very good job. -skelly- | |||
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In my gun cabinet sets a pre 64 M-70 300 H&H, the custom stock that I made some 30 years ago is beat to heck and resembles a chunk of drift wood, the metal is worn out blue, not stainless as some have accused..It still shoots 1/2" to 3/4" groups with Nosler 180, 200 and 220's and better with thoes 165 Gr. blue barnes X's ( ain't that the pits ) I suspect I have shoot at least a 1000 head of big game and maybe twice that with the old brute, including cape buffalo and other dangerous game.... Yep, your well healed and if anyone wants to match their 300 H&H with a Pre 64 375, well I got one for sale at $950 to you guys and $1200 in the Gunlist.... ------------------ | |||
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I just found a old rem 721 in a 300 H&H. I am going to view the gun tonight. I talked to the owner on the phone and he said the gun is in good shape (about 90%) and all original expect the recoil pad has been replaced. What would an average price for this gun be? Russ | |||
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Mtelkhunter, At 90% about $500. to $600 would be a good price... ------------------ | |||
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The 300 H&H is my all time favorite caliber and will serve you well for anything on the continent and most other places as well. If Winchester would just produce a run of the things in their new Super Grade Model 70 they would sell out in no time. My present plans are to find a 7mm STW Super Grade and turn it into a 300 H&H. Good hunting, I envy you. | |||
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| <Don Martin29> |
Most of the comb's on the M-721's that I have seen are for iron sights. So of course were many rifles from that era. I had a M-722 and while it was a very good group shooting rifle it was not the best cheek weld with that stock. The aluminum butt plate will weld to your shoulder however. I might pay more for one with a recoil pad. In summary those old Remington 721-2's don't appeal to me as much as many new rifles. I was lucky enough to buy a nice M-70 in .300 H&H a couple of months ago. Right now it's my pet. And it has a nice old .375 M-70 to welcome it to the safe. | ||
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I hunted with a 300 H & H for a number of years. Using mainly a 300 Dakota now, but I still have a fondness for the H & H. It was a post-64 push feed M70, 24" bbl. Wasn't very accurate, unfortunately, no fault of the cartridge. I tried a bunch of different loads, and even fire lapped the barrel, but it was still about a 2.5" gun at 100 yards. It accounted for a fair number of elk, and an bunch of deer and antelope, though, and I don't think any of them noticed any accuracy shortcomings. Just didn't inspire the kind of confidence level I like, though. Had kind of a neat experience one day while packing that rifle. I was out for a quickie morning hunt in the Bridger Mtns, which are more or less in our back yard. Was ascending a ridge, incidentally following a set of lion tracks that had blood spots in them, when I noticed an old cartridge laying there. Picked it up, and it was a 300 H & H. I've still got the case around here somewhere, but if I recall correctly the headstamp read 300 Magnum UMC. Somebody told me once that probably dated back to the 50's. Kind of neat, to my way of thinking. There weren't much for elk in the Bridgers in those days, but there were some hog mule deer, and who knows, maybe that cartridge accounted for one of 'em. I'd like to think so, anyway.... ------------------ | ||
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I have always wanted a pre-64 in .300 H&H but never seem to take the plunge when I find one, too many other irons in the fire it seems. I finally took an old Sako I had that was a .375 and rebarreled with a 24" Hart to .300 H&H. It has been a heck of a shooter and used it two years ago to take a decent bull and a nice whitey, both at 300+ yds. With 180 partitions I'm right at 3000 fps and really don't feel the need for anything more. I must admit though that it really is a handloaders cartridge though as the Federal loads have never been very accurate for me. Frank N. | |||
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Don, From another perspective I was raised on old M-70's and 721's with low combs then Weaver came out with the K3 and the transition took place...I never felt the "cheek weld", a legitamate criteria for myself in actual hunting situations.... In fact all my custom rifles have low combs, 5/16th cast off, and some drop in order to utilize the iron sights and the scope, it won't work the other way around. ------------------ | |||
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| <Don Martin29> |
Ray, The saying "there is more than one right answer" is appropiate here. That M-722 in .222 Remington along with a Lyman Wolvorine 6X scope, Bheuler mounts and a compelte reloading setup was my 13th birthday present. Although I lived in a city we could walk to a farm where there were a lot of woodchucks and other stuff. Over the years I noticed a number of misses with that rifle. All that time my primary shooting activity was formal postition target shooting. By the time I was in college I was shooting top scores on a national basis. So most of the rifles I shot with both iron and scope sites had a full, thick butt stock. I still did not make this connection until the opportunity to buy a High Wall came up (I am sure you recall those days). This High Wall in .219 Improved Zipper became my favorite. I could hardly miss with it. It has a custom stock by the late Floyd Butler of Raceville, N.Y. The stock has a cheekpiece that is classic and it falls away with recoil like the best of them yet provides perfect alignment for the Supertargetspot that is it's sight. I sold the M-722 as it was yesterdays news. I am sentimental but somehow that rifle just could not compete just like I sold my Winchester M-70 target rifle when I got a 40-X! Now I like the old M-70's as they are still very good rifles and have both intrinsic and sentimental value to me but a M-721/2 does not turn me on. I don't use iron sights out of choice on hunting rifles. | ||
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Ray and everybody. I bought the 721 last night.  It is in pretty good shape overall. I would call it more of 85% than 90% and it has nice grain in the stock. Now that I have the gun I have to get a set of dies and some brass and a scope and see how it shoots. I was looking around town last night and could not find any brass or dies I guess I will have to send away for them that means it will be just that much longer before I can try it out. Russ [This message has been edited by mtelkhunter (edited 04-25-2002).] | |||
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quote: mtelkhunter, WyoJoe [This message has been edited by WyoJoe (edited 04-26-2002).] | |||
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I have used nosler BTs in other rifles and have had mixed results with them. The primary animal that I hunt is elk. My primary elk rifle is a 338 mag. I will probably switch off between the 338 and the 300. Because I will normally be hunting elk I will probably use a 200 gr. partition in the 300 instead of the BT. I think the BT would be good for antelope and deer but if I know I am going after those animals I will probably use a different gun anyway. I mounted a old 3x leupold on the gun last night and snapped the gun to my shoulder and boy does it fit nice. The straight stock appears to fit me perfect. I can not wait to try it out. Russ | |||
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The H&H is a nice moldy old round, but it does nothing that the .300 WSM doesn't do with less powder, less recoil, more accuracy and a lighter weight rifle. [This message has been edited by KuduKing (edited 04-27-2002).] | |||
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Kudu, Try loading that new shiney 300 WSM with a long 200, 220 or 250 gr. bullet and see if it will do anything the 300 H&H will do...A 220 Nosler will about sit on top of the back side of the primer, so where ya gonna put da powder Always a trade off with these newbies, ever notice that...Your stuck with 150, 165, and 180's old hoss, but that ain't no bad deal, if that's what you use... ------------------ | |||
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Hey mtelk, Try www.midsouthshooterssupply.com One of them should have dies/brass for that grand cartridge, and at a good price. | ||
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JL congratulations on your academic achievement, and good luck on your hunts this year. The 300H&H is an excellent round as most have said. Kuduking, The 300WSM is certainly a popular new round, and I wish you the best of luck with it, especially a few years from now when you go to look for ammo, or components. The 300HH has stood the test of time and prevailed, it is still popular and has more class than most. It will be interesting to see how the wizbang mags do in this regard. [This message has been edited by 375hnh (edited 04-29-2002).] | |||
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Several members of my family have used 300 H&H's since the 50's. Being a self proclaimed gun nut I have experimented with many guns and caliburs over the years for hunting but have always had a soft spot for the old H&H. Will a new wissbang 300 mag do a better job? Maybe, maybe not. The truth is I don't care I am happy with the H&H. The key word here is "I" If someone else is happier with a 300 RUM, 300 WSM, 300 WBY or whatever that is fine. The 300 H&H will do anything I need it to. I don't have nor want to please anybody except myself. If shooting the newest, biggest or badest rifle is what turns your crank, go for it.  After all fredom of choice is what this country is all about it it not? | |||
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mtelkhunter, I think you'll like your M721. I got one two years ago even though I'm not much of a magnum fan. However, the 300 H&H is such a nifty old cartridge and the M721 was so appealing that I couldn't pass it up. Mine is super accurate. The first load I tried was a near max load of AA3100 and a R-P 180 grain spitzer and it shot so well I've never looked any further. Good luck with yours. | ||
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| <JerrBear356> |
Are you kidding me??? .300H&H Mag??? That is even more obsolete than a 30'06! I seem to remember Weatherby coming out with a round improved of of the H&H 60 years ago. I am not sure, I think it was called the .300 Weatherby Mag. Now I know that you might not need that much power, so do yourself a favor; get rid of the P.O.S. and get yourself a new .300WSM or SAUM. This is the 21st Century not the 19th. Get with the ages, boys!! | ||
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quote: Did you ever hear of Jack O'Conner? His wife down a Tumbo with a 300 H&H with 220 FMC. I had a Win 70 in 300 H&H sold it six month ago, BAD MISTAKE it was a tack driver like I never seen. [This message has been edited by Colonel (edited 05-10-2002).] | ||
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You are right I could have gotten the one of the new 300 WSM or 300 RUM but I wanted something that has a little class. | |||
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