Duckere,
What has happened in New York is the model for the Nation if the other side is allowed to rule by edict as they desire. I am glad to see the NRA standing firm and not dancing on the issue, saying that the desire is to "take all your guns..." because that is what is happening but the NRA won’t be enough. We citizens will have to stand and speak and maybe use the example of Gandhi to stand against this grave wrong. I would prefer to say “use the example of Washington and Jefferson” but that might be deemed rhetorically violent. This is the face of "fundamentally Transforming America" and we all know who said that. America was a free and armed civilian population that stood against tyranny both here and abroad. That is under attack. We are free to draw our own conclusions on why.
Don't be silent now or silence may last a long, long time.

Firearms owners, shooters and hunters that are too cheap to belong to The NRA have allowed these laws to restrict their firearms rights. If The NRA had anywhere near the number of hunters and gun owners in this country ( 80,000,000) the politicians would be hiring armed guards for our schools instead of taking away our rights to own firearms.

The NRA has been stalwart and yes, if we were 80 million strong instead of 4.5 million, a different past would have been seen maybe. However the fight is here. Now. We, all of us have to stand and be counted no matter what our thoughts of the past are. Thank you for your faithful stand!

http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/

This link will take you to a site where a simple enter of your name, etc, will send a letter off to your state representatives as well as the white house. It is on the opening page of Ruger's website.

I got an email from the office of CO senator Udall last night. I replied with a note about the current gun legislation being propose nationally, and particularly here in CO, expressing my concern with these mis-guided and unveiled attacks on the 2nd amendment, and ended by stating I am a registered voter, member of the NRA, member of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, I spend a lot of time agitating on various hunting and shooting sites for the support of our representatives that support the constitution, and the ouster of those that will not uphold the 2nd amendment. I hope we can count on you, Senator Udall, to uphold the constitution.
I would encourage you all to do similarly.

DONE! The only thing is that we have 1 Congressman for the entire state and he most certainly won't waffle on the issue.
I just added my name to try to increase the number of responses, however small.
BTW, I feel sorry for you guys in New York. Being run over by the liberal steamroller like that. Too bad the coneheads in New Yawk City & Longgg Island run the state's politics. Glad I left there 40 + years ago. Keep the fight up anyway.
Bear in Fairbanks

Obama has released his plan... take a look fellas: http://www.whitehouse.gov/site...is_the_time_full.pdf

Guys, here is another chance to make you voice known. The King and Parliament of the US government persist in making themselves above the law that the rest of us commoners mush adhere to. Why shouldn't those who rule over us be subject to the same laws?

I have initiated this petition

http://wh.gov/Esv0

as a step in that direction. If I have to prove my right to own a gun or high cap magazine through a background check, mental health assessment, etc then those who are entrusted with the welfare of the country should be subject to the same. We have politicians busted for drugs yet they still run for office

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Originally posted by Rembrandt1:
This administration has shown if you don't like a particular law, just ignore it.....why not follow their lead. Unfortunately I think we're headed for a lawless society that will collapse in coming years.

i have thought this very thing since 3 1/2 years ago........... i think now this bunch of arrogant pricks may have stepped in it............


defend freedom... impeach the obama administration............ all of them!!

And thus they have created the mechanism for confiscation. Your child has a mental disorder that requires medication...ADD, ADHD, etc and that name now goes into a database. Now you surely don't want guns potentially in the households that have mentally ill people in it, do you??? The school is incented to tell someone through the initiatives in Ocrapper's plan and is rewarded for it. The doctor can now make sure you know how bad it is for you and your child, and recommend "treatment" for it.

I believe it was Ronald Reagan that said "When the government controls health care, they control everything in your life." It is the same with education. I was once told my daughter had anger issues when she smacked a boy at school (actually she almost knocked him out) when he thought it was ok to fondle her in the hall between classes. But SHE had the anger problem. Under Oblabber's plan, she would have been reported to health care officials for it.

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I was once told my daughter had anger issues when she smacked a boy at school (actually she almost knocked him out) when he thought it was ok to fondle her in the hall between classes. But SHE had the anger problem. Under Oblabber's plan, she would have been reported to health care officials for it.

That mentality is the most frightening thing in this thread. I have a friend whose daughter experienced something very similar. Classmate grabs her privates in the school cafeteria. Unbeknownst to him, her father had had a very interesting military career and had taught his daughters a bit of self defense. Took 16 stitches to close the guy's face up. (Amazing what an elbow strike will do.) But they were going to throw her out of school because violence is never right. Of course it's not. But sexual assault isn't either. And if one can't defend oneself against such a thing, what have we come to? And that was the mentality of the school. They fixated on her use of violence not the sexual assault committed on her. It got sorted out and she wasn't expelled, but why was that an issue?

LWD

Two excellent posts. They clearly point out how far the pendulum of political correctness has swung past sound reasoning. As a father of 3 girls, I applaud these young women. It feel those ill mannered boys were well reprimanded and should themselves been facing disciplinary action, stitches and all.

Here are a couple more relevant links. This first guy has dared to tell it like it is;

http://dcclothesline.wordpress...onsibility-to-fight/

This second clearly and eloquently describes the constitutional republic that we, in fact, are;

http://sovereignthink.wordpres...d-mantle-of-liberty/

Here is a summary of what NY Governor Cuomo got passed (and "past") our legislature and is now law. He decided this was an emergency so he bypassed the normal 3 day debate period for legislation and demanded a vote immediately. The "press"/media has done a tremendously disappointing job at providing unlimited time for anti-gun propoganda. It's a shame because so many people believe that these "journalists" and reporters must be telling the truth and presenting a balanced story. Anyways, while we fight the good fight to try to get this repealed or watered down, here's a preview of what may be coming your way someday in your lifetime:

- Assault rifles are now classified as semiautomatic rifles having ability to accept detachable magazine and "ONE" of the characteristics (folding/telescoping stock, pistol grip, thumbhole stock, second handgrip for non-trigger hand, bayonet mount, flash suppressor, grenade launcher). Previous NY law was "TWO" or more characteristics. Additional clarification for assault shotguns and assault handguns.

- No sales of any "assault type" weapons in NY to an individual, sales to out of staters must be reported to NY within 72 hours

- All private party sales require a background check be performed by a dealer first, $10 max fee for now

- No purchase of assault type weapons immediately - if you didn't buy before the law passed, you are S.O.L.

- You must register your assault type weapon within one year. Registration requires your name, social security #, date of birth, gender, race, residential address, firearms possessed.

- Gun registrations must be reviewed every five years (previously, it was only handguns that required registration and most were for life/no renewals necessary). Background check at each renewal.

- All magazines over 10 rounds are outlawed

- Magazines 10 or less can only be loaded with a maximum of 7 rounds, even in your own house

- No online/mail order ammunition sales, everything must be face to face

- All face to face ammunition sales will require a NIC background check

- All face to face large quantity ammunition sales will generate an "alert" to the large purchase

- No transfer of registered assault weapons except to immediate family (spouse or children only) - if you die with no family to leave
them to, your assault weapons must be turned in and go to the smelter

- In the interest of completeness, there are additional provisions requiring health care professionals to report people deemed likely to be a danger, provisions covering people with orders of protection against them, provisions increasing criminal penalties when assault weapons are used for killing a first responder, possession of firearms on school grounds, etc.

Here's the text of the NY "safeact" gun ban law. Very poorly written and confusing. With the stroke of a pen, some genius legislature came up with this "IT SHALL BE UNLAWFUL FOR A PERSON TO KNOWINGLY POSSESS AN AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE THAT SUCH PERSON LAWFULLY POSSESSED BEFORE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE CHAPTER", followed shortly by "IF SUCH DEVICE CONTAINING MORE THAN SEVEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION IS POSSESSED WITHIN THE HOME OF THE POSSESSOR, THE PERSON SO POSSESSING THE DEVICE SHALL, FOR A FIRST OFFENSE, BE GUILTY OF"....

This is as bad as it looks - NY is now on the front line of this new fight. Wish us luck, sign every petition you can and consider NRA or other pro-gun membership.


Here's a debate with the genius that sponsored the laws:

We MUST give our sane and rational representatives - like Steve McLaughlin - HELP to fight the democratic wishfull-thinking MORONs who get elected to office.

We can't set back on our butts and watch, we must join the Republican Party and GET OUT THE VOTE for our candidates - those who believe in the Constitution and understand how things actually work.

AIU,

I don't know that joining the Republican party is the answer. Republicans voted along with Cuomo in NY. Republicans are buying into and supporting "reasonable" bans. Not all of them but members of the GOP. Lincoln Chaffee was a Republican and he introduced legislation to appeal the 2nd Amendment at least once. So unless the GOP writes and enforces their platform to support the 2nd and to fight the latest nonsense giving the GOP numbers serves limited purpose. Our system has become Bolsheviks versus Mensheviks for the most part.
Joining the NRA, JFPO, SAF, et. al. should prove more efficacious as they are not party dependent. JFK was member of the NRA.

I used to consistently vote for a few Democrats as their pro-gun stance was solid and demonstrated.

Here is another link to a short TV interview by Lt. Gen (ret) W.G. Boyken;

http://www.morningstartv.com/o...tive/marxism-america

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Originally posted by ELeeton:
AIU,

I don't know that joining the Republican party is the answer. Republicans voted along with Cuomo in NY. Republicans are buying into and supporting "reasonable" bans. Not all of them but members of the GOP. Lincoln Chaffee was a Republican and he introduced legislation to appeal the 2nd Amendment at least once. So unless the GOP writes and enforces their platform to support the 2nd and to fight the latest nonsense giving the GOP numbers serves limited purpose. Our system has become Bolsheviks versus Mensheviks for the most part.
Joining the NRA, JFPO, SAF, et. al. should prove more efficacious as they are not party dependent. JFK was member of the NRA.

I used to consistently vote for a few Democrats as their pro-gun stance was solid and demonstrated.

ELeeton, I agree not all Republicans are good Republicans, but they are the lesser of the two evils - that is, they are much more likely to support our positions than the Democrats.

My main point is that we must get involved in politics. We can't sit on our hands and hope someone else takes our position.

VOTE. GET INVOLVED.

Regards, AIU

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Originally posted by larrys:
I believe it was Ronald Reagan that said "When the government controls health care, they control everything in your life."

Your entire post is very good, but this needs pointing out. Absolutely, without doubt, the most frightening part of Obama's plan involves the mental health aspect. It has nothing to do with the real problem. Oh, sure, he will make it sound like it does. But the devil is in the details.

He WILL find a way to tie gun rights to a subjective method of evaluating mental health.

One of his Executive Orders ... oops, I mean directives (orders sound to bossy don't they?) attempts to remove the HIPA protections we (sort of) have now.

Once that barrier is down, it opens the door to registration and confiscation based on their method of mental health evaluation.

Guess what? Their decision is final for all practical purposes.

The Lion in the closet is indeed the hue and cry for greater control over people with "mental illness." Do you know how the definitions of mental illness has migrated to and fro over the years? Have you heard or read "if you want an Assault rifle, there must be something wrong with you?" Well what is "wrong" with you will be that a short list of things like "fascination with Guns" and that will declare you mentally ill. We have already seen this in print aimed at "Fundamentalist Christians,” "bitterly clinging" to their “guns and religion” and it is a show coming to your door soon unless this is stopped and I don’t see a force rising up in government that will stop it. We have elected a generation of greedy, spineless cowards who only seek power for themselves. They have little desire to stand up to this power grab. Our Founding Fathers weep over our Nation.

Without going to the canuck forum, does anyone recall how the firearms registry scheme failed up north? I do remember the costs simply mushroomed beyond all ecpectations, eventually strangling it to death but as I recall, there was considerable resistance by gun owners to register. Do I have that right or was it merely that the inadequate resources were just unable to get to those in need of registering, eh?

I think you've mostly got it right, oupa, though I'm not familar with the details.

When I hunted in Ontario in 2008, our guide told me about the many difficulties of their countries laws, many of which had an opposite, detrimental effect opposed to the law's first, ostensible purpose.

Case in point: our guide had a rifle stolen out of his pick-up. He didn't "store" or "keep/house" the rifle in the truck, it just happened to be stolen while he temporarily had it in the vehicle. By the letter of the law, he was required to report the theft (makes sense in theory, no?), but in practice he faced a stiff fine for "letting the weapon" - my words - be stolen in the first place.

I was shocked to find (via another thread) that in the U.S., there were an astonishing 80,000 attempts in 2011 by felons to purchase firearms through a properly licensed dealer; but here's the maddening part: only 40 of those 80,000 attemps were prosecuted!

Now, I'm sure there are many "reasons" for this, and I don't argue those points. But for the love of God, would'nt that be a good place to start - locking up felons who know they aren't ever again permitted to own a gun?

Charlie Foxtrot, that's what this is

friar

quote:

Originally posted by oupa:
Without going to the canuck forum, does anyone recall how the firearms registry scheme failed up north? I do remember the costs simply mushroomed beyond all ecpectations, eventually strangling it to death but as I recall, there was considerable resistance by gun owners to register. Do I have that right or was it merely that the inadequate resources were just unable to get to those in need of registering, eh?

Oupa it was a long battle and the Conservatives agreed finally to remove that cost no efficient long gun registry. we ve been told too that NDP and liberals will be bring it back if elected again ...
handguns and most assault rifle are still needed to be registered and every 5 years need a new background while you apply for your RPAL (registred possession acquisition license).

i dont believe in any politicians about gun rights and if you look what the Conservatives in Australia has done you know what i mean.

good luck and all the best for keeping your rights our is not ended.

I just sent $100 to NRA-ILA this morning. Ask our brethren in Australia or the UK if $100 would have been worth it to keep their guns when they had the chance.
The NRA is not perfect but it is currently the best we have. Wasn't it Ben Franklin who said "Ignore your rights and they will surely go away"?
If there are any gun owners out there who are not NRA members SHAME ON YOU. If Dingbat Diane gets her bill passed it will be nobody's fault but our own. 80 million voters can make one hell of a difference. It is now or never.