Nothing like waiting until the last (and maybe too late) moment. When I got home yesterday I received a hunting draw from the great state of Montana. I have been hunting there the last few years for antelope and it has never been a problem for us Canucks ... However when they started requiring a 'permit' which was suppose to take a long time to acquire to bring in a rifle .. I skipped the antelope draw ... I was doing other things and never thought much of it. At a friend's urging I did apply for a draw a few weeks ago ... what is the procedure now ??? Help...!!!
1 option would be contact the outfitter and see if they have a rifle for hire. It would be a more hassle-free quick hunt, not necessarily the best but an option!
Posts: 1525 | Location: Hilliard Oh USA | Registered: 17 May 2002
I think what Richard really needs is a shotgun, and... HEY! What's this doing in the Big Game forum? My offer of a shotgun loan still stands, although the logistics do present problems. Cody & I were out at the range last Sunday, working up loads for his '06. We had the shotguns along since waterfowl had just opened & he feels compelled to blast a duck or two. Anyway, while waiting for the range to clear so I could retrieve our targets, we wandered over to the trap area & gathered up some clay pigeons folks had missed & took turns throwing them for each other. Man, we suck at it, & it reminds me how badly I embarassed myself missing all those sage grouse. Good thing I'm marginally better with a rifle, although it just isn't quite the same hunting antelope without you & Dougie. No more stories about opposums in Lethbridge, for one thing. Now I'll shut up & maybe somebody will actually answer your inquiry.
Rimrock - you are too clever!!! I was going to e mail you this morning telling you of my dilemma. I suppose that you could lend me that fine old 97 Winchester - and after I shoot a box or two or steel shot with it you wouldn't have to worry about it not working well on those sage grouse!!! I thought that the rifle folk might be up on this latest hurdle ... I also have e mailed a duck guy biologist down at Billings... He might be able to help a poor protein starved Canuck ...???? I'm not even sure if it is legal to borrow or rent a gun down there right now???
Richard, You need a BATF Form 6. I think it takes a few weeks to get one. I have the web link at home where you can download the form ets...will post tonite. You might find it if you do a web search for BATF.
Canuck
Posts: 7123 | Location: The Rock (southern V.I.) | Registered: 27 February 2001
Thanks Canuck ... I have faxed the application in... Now it is a race between speed of a Beaurocracy and winter hitting.... They say that it takes 6 weeks - 12 weeks to process ... I might lose out on this one ... It would be a shame ... Sort of lost an opportunity 'cause the world has changed so much in the last year ... We'll see how the hand unfolds ...
Does anyone know if there is a restriction as far as a visitor borrowing a rifle for a hunt? I've extended some invitations for next year based on the assumption I could just loan one of my rifles and shotguns. I can't recall ever seeing a reg. restricting something like that, but as Richard said, the world has changed much..... Dutch.
Posts: 4564 | Location: Idaho Falls, ID, USA | Registered: 21 September 2000
Dutch, As far as I know ownership is never an issue as much as having a license. I don't ever recall hearing of anyone questioned about who owns a rifle or shotgun. You cannot buy a rifle or handgun for someone else(This is a question ask on the firearms paperwork in Ohio and is grounds for a turndown if you answer in the positive). But loaning the same to someone to hunt with, has never been an issue. I also don't ever recall seeing it on any state hunting regulations over the years.
Posts: 1525 | Location: Hilliard Oh USA | Registered: 17 May 2002
Call ATF and make sure they got your application -- explain your situation and ask if they can get it done in time.
Nonimmigrant aliens can't possess a gun except under certain circumstances and having a hunting license would qualify. The import permit requirement is for bringing one in, which is a separate problem. So you can still borrow one without an import permit (because you're not importing anything -- logical enough).
Canuck really went through the mill on this but his situation was totally different -- ironically, because he wasn't going to be in the US or actually using the gun!
John
Posts: 1246 | Location: Northern Virginia, USA | Registered: 02 June 2001
It's a crying shame that you have to do that. I bought a couple of rifles the last time I was in the "lower 48" or "outside" and drove up, through Canada, back to Alaska. I showed that I was an Alaskan resident, informed the border guards that I had two rifles in my vehicle, showed the guards the rifles and had to fill out a declaration form of sorts, but that was that. Seems you could ship your rifle to an FFL holder your guide knows and pick it up when got there. Then do the return.
Posts: 1508 | Location: Alaska | Registered: 09 August 2002
YJ, that's a pretty good idea, but it might be seen as circumventing the BATF rules, and they would probably take a pretty dim view of that. I've hunted in the lower 48 with borrowed firearms before, as long as you have a hunting licence there has never been a problem. the other problem I've run into with shipping, is dealing with the shippers. As we don't have FFL holders here in Canada (I wonder if a Canadian could apply and get an FFL just for that type of thing?) and depending on your locals, the UPS/FedEx/Post office route can sometimes be problematic. The post office varies depending on whom you deal with, I have no idea of the actual regulations. I have sent and received stuff by mail, and 90% of the time there was no problem, once in awhile you run into a postal clerk who wants to save the world from evil gun things, and they are a PITA. UPS and FedEx have differant regs in Canada then in the states, so again, it depends on the local operator. FWIW - Dan
Posts: 5285 | Location: Alberta | Registered: 05 October 2001
quote:Originally posted by Yukon Jack: Seems you could ship your rifle to an FFL holder your guide knows and pick it up when got there. Then do the return.
Nope -- you would still be "importing," or rather in this case the FFL would be. I'm afraid you've got to do the Form 6.
John
Posts: 1246 | Location: Northern Virginia, USA | Registered: 02 June 2001
I'll phone the dudes from the ATF today. Good idea and see 1. If they got the application ...#2. if they can expedite ...3. If I can borrow while there ??? Good suggestion!! Thanks...
Richard, Take the other's advice, I guess this a much more serious offense that I had imagined. Sorry for the mix-up, just trying to think the common-sense way, guess our friendly BATF don't use that approach. Oh yeah, it was about 5 years ago when I drove up from vacation, so I guess everything has changed. Too bad it places such restrictions on our neighbors...
Hope everything works out and you have a great hunt.
Posts: 1508 | Location: Alaska | Registered: 09 August 2002
quote:Originally posted by Yukon Jack: Richard, Take the other's advice, I guess this a much more serious offense that I had imagined. Sorry for the mix-up, just trying to think the common-sense way, guess our friendly BATF don't use that approach.
The law was passed in fall '98, they didn't even publish a *proposed* rule to implement it until Feb. 2002 and then called it an emergency. They didn't talk to any hunting, shooting sports or outfitting groups that I know of ... no surprise that they ended being less hospitable than Canada.
John
Posts: 1246 | Location: Northern Virginia, USA | Registered: 02 June 2001
As far as borrowing a gun to hunt in the States, here is a direct quote from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (our Gestapo):
quote:"35. Q. I'm a nonimmigrant alien who is coming to the United States for two weeks to go hunting. Can I rent a firearm in the United States to use on this trip? What about if I want to go to a shooting range one day - can I rent a firearm there as well?
A. As long as you possess a valid hunting license from a State within the United States, you may rent firearms to hunt and to use at a shooting range. If you do not have the hunting license, your possession of the firearms and ammunition will be unlawful. The hunting license does NOT have to be from the State where you will be possessing the guns and ammunition."
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