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30 March 2007, 21:56

Steve Malinverni

Thank you to all of you,
this match with my info. I had a disussion with hunter of my wild boar hunting Squad that was telling us that 750kg are very common, now 750Kg are about 1500 lbs, and when I expressed my doubt he said that I was absolutely wrong, and that he was sure that, more over in Alaska, it is possible to find 750 KG /1500 LBS grizzlies everywhere, at any corner.

This hunter is not a bad man, but has a personal mind about dimensions and weights. He see and cannot shoot enormous boars, and he always declared to kill big boars, also when they are not so big 40/50kg.

bye
Stefano
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31 March 2007, 05:30

Dutch

The Alaska variety of grizzly bear is usually referred to as the Brown Bear. They do get materially bigger than the grizzlies in the lower 48 or interior Canada. Same species, but different colorations. The biggest reasons for the size is diet (as mentioned); the coastal Alaska Browns eat well on salmon and berries.

About 10 years back, some enterprising academic analyzed a turn of the (last) century grizzly from Custer County (Pahsimeroi valley), and the carbon analysis of the hair revealed that over 80% of the energy in the diet had come from salmon. That explains the stories of the big grizzlies from that time period. FWIW, Dutch.

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21 May 2007, 02:35

MARK H. YOUNG

Steve,

Having lived with brown bears close by my home for 22 years I can assure you that a 750kg bear is a monster. Talking about brown bears in general and not just trophy boars I think weight might be more like 500-750 pounds. An interior grizzly will be much smaller.

Mike,

I might venture a guess that your taxidermist has not seen a good cross section of brown bear trophies. What he might have been referring to is the ruged out size of the bears he has done. To the shagrin of the uninformed a bear rug will often square out significantly smaller that the stretched out green hide right after the kill.

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22 May 2007, 03:42

This should give you an idea:

Old Ephraim

Died 1923 - Logan, Utah

Old Ephraim was last grizzly bear in Utah, and the curse of local sheepherders. After 10 years of tracking, Frank Clark finally blew the bear's brains out on August 22, 1923. At the time of his death, Old Ephraim stood 10 feet tall and weighed 1100 pounds. His skull was sent to The Smithsonian, where it has been preserved.

The rest of Ephraim is buried six miles up Temple Fork Road, high in the Wasatch Mountains north of Logan. A rock cairn grave, built by the Boy Scouts, marks the site.

23 May 2007, 22:59

Jarrod

quote:
Originally posted by Hunt-ducks:
Besides the Texas bears there is some confusion going on here.

Grizzly's and Brown bears same family the Browns will inhabit the coast and the Grizzly's will be inland a huge Grizzly will be a 1000lbs and there few and far between with the average male weighting in around 600-700lbs before they den up. Brown's will average 1000-1200lbs with the real big ones going 1500 and i'm sure there are some that will push 1800 all before den up.

There are probably a few women around here that would come darn near that on the scale