The manual also says to only shoot factory loads.

Jewell triggers are in my opinion the very best triggers available. They are designed after the 700 trigger. I have a couple of Remingtons and the trigger is what I like most about them. And yes, I think the remingtons are the best out of the box rifles for the money as far as accuracy goes.

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Originally posted by Pegleg:
And yes, I think the remingtons are the best out of the box rifles for the money as far as accuracy goes.

Baloney

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Originally posted by Pegleg:
And yes, I think the remingtons are the best out of the box rifles for the money as far as accuracy goes.

I guess I'll have to differ from your opinion on that. "for the money as far as accuracy goes." I would have said Savage.

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Originally posted by Fjold:

I guess I'll have to differ from your opinion on that. "for the money as far as accuracy goes." I would have said Savage.

Me too, but if we all liked the same rifle there would only be one manufacturer and we'd have to debate who makes the best pancake syrup. I like Aunt Jemima.

I have never owned a Savage. I have heard that they are a very accurate firearm. I like most all guns in some form or another. Maybe someday I will happen onto a Savage and make it my own. There is something about the bolt configuration on the Savage that just doesn't seem right. From my competition experience though I have never seen a Savage on the firing line in any of the shooting competitions I have been too. You would think that if the Savage rifles were so accurate that they would make an appearance here and there. Seen lots of Remingtons, Winchesters, Mausers and even a few Brownings but never a Savage. Can there be an explanation for this?

You said "out of the box accuracy for the money", with those stipulations I'd still say Savage.
In just about every competitive discipline the rifles aren't "out of the box" and a lot more money is put in to them.

Out of the box accuracy with Savage? Things may have changed in the last couple of years but my Savage 110 (I purchased a .30-06 20 years ago) was nothing but inaccurate after 5 shots. I always felt that the barrel contour was too thin. My brother purchased at the same time a Remington ADL in a .30-06 and the barrel contour is larger than the Savage.

It was one of the reasons why I had the Savage recently rebarreled to a .338-06. It's a hec of alot more accurate now.

Fjold- I agree completely but since Savages are so accurate wouldn't you think that the Savage platform would then be used to make an even more accurate shooter? Being the most accurate out of the box wouldn't you think at least the action would be used. I don't think so.

There's some Savages showing up in the long range disciplines, but there's 40 years of gunsmithing experience invested in the 700.

You don't see 700's on the line in short range much either. Compared to a BAT, Viper, Stiller, both are just a pot metal toy. JMO, Dutch.

I"m currently getting my mod 70 Win re-barrelled and bedded. The barrel was just shot out. It"s costing me about the same to get re-barrelled and bedded as would buy me a new gun, but i"d be very surprised if that "out of the box" new gun would shoot like the hand lapped barrel and bedded action i"ll have for the same money. I"m hearing all the time about people buying new guns and sending them straight off for custom work. Personally i don"t think that there"s a huge difference in accuracy out of the box with any of the "off the shelf" rifles from most manufacturers if you"re just starting out and using factory ammo. For anyone who really knows what they want and why they want it, the choice is huge and with more new companies like Howa making guns in the far east, i think the big names(like Remington) had better do something pretty quick or they"ll be history.
Here in the UK, more and more custom shops are building rifles from scratch(with proper triggers/barrels/stocks), and they can"t turn them out fast enough.
good shooting

I believe it's totally unfair and incorrect to blame WalMart for any quality losses there may have been.........and I'm not so sure there have truly been losses of quality at Remington.

If they're in financial trouble it's of their own doing.....blaming the customer is a cop out.....

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Originally posted by vapodog:
I believe it's totally unfair and incorrect to blame WalMart for any quality losses there may have been.........and I'm not so sure there have truly been losses of quality at Remington.

If they're in financial trouble it's of their own doing.....blaming the customer is a cop out.....

I agree to a point. At least in the US, most companies make their own decisions. However, I can tell you first hand of "Walmart Horror Stories" and the wake of ruin of manufacturers and distributors chasing Walmart volume.

I have seen companies recover from the brink of failure, by final realizing what the heck Walmart was doing to them.

Walmart wants a product at "X" price and then the game begins...returns, allowances, credits, and on and on! Many producers and distributors with little "market power" are continually put under pressure (goods are cheapend in this process, been there and seen it)..until the goods are final made in China..

Now, realize that many Walmart employees make very little money and we the US Taxpayer are subsidizing Walmart..I will give you an example...in my state we have a "safety net" health care system and guess what Employer has more Employees on the rolls...WALMART! I hope my state wakes up to this BS like Maryland did and pass a law to stop Walmart from pushing back low prices on the back of society.

Well at least Walmart will be giving the Chinese this treatment, that is until Walmart goes to the Moon to have goods produced cheaper!

Low prices are fine but not on the backs of society and the taxpayer......

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In cars, you win by offering reliability.
In optics, you win by offering brightness
In guns you win by offering accuracy. JMO, Dutch.

Well said Dutch.

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Originally posted by Dutch:
There's some Savages showing up in the long range disciplines, but there's 40 years of gunsmithing experience invested in the 700.

You don't see 700's on the line in short range much either. Compared to a BAT, Viper, Stiller, both are just a pot metal toy. JMO, Dutch.

There is still a calling for them in the 1000 yard benchrest market. The last shoot results I calculated about 50% Remingtons still, and some shot some small groups.

Hello,
Have shot the Remington rifles, one form or the other-700/40x- for some 40 plus years in both civilian form as well as military and can report no other action even comes close to universal useage around the world for dependable, accurate performance. Pick a caliber and it has been barreled for it and often times highly modified to meet certain requirements, but the core/heart of the weapon is the action and it plain and simple works!! Whether dust, rain, mud, slime, blood, crap, etc. the action will work, smoothly and quietly.

Do not shoot benchrest style, (we all know benchrest shooters have creases in their "trousers") rather long range prone and the rifles are not protected from the environment in such matches for the shooter puts his mat down, sets up his spotting scope, checks his natural point of aim, wind, sling adjustment, dry fires few times, etc. and fires whether wet or dry, hot or cold. Very few Mausers, Savages, Win. are seen on the line compared to the number of Remington based rifles. Go try and buy a receiver sight base for a Mauser or Savage and see how ready they are to come by?? Normally one or two of the string of 20 rounds for record must be shot using "iron sights" and need to be so equipped. Yes, can be had, but so much easier to set up a Remington or one of it's clones than all the others. Aftermarket products unlimited for Remington, hard to come by for any other actions not having Remington origin in design. Kind of like the Chevy 283 or 350 block, not real complicated but can build to whatever level you want and smoke the others "clean off the track..."

I'm still buying Winchesters and NOT Remingtons. Doubt I would as there is Ruger, Sako, and many others. Remington missed an opportunity for me to buy a 375 H&H when they put a crummy stock on the 798 or whatever they call their new Mauser rifle.
Had they put the CDL stock on it I'd have bought it without a second thought. So its the marketing mix problem as usual. The alst 2 Remingtons I bought were 3200 Comp Trap and Skeet guns. Then I dumped them when i had problems with them and went to Perazzi and Kreighoff. Now shoot Berettas.