My partner (pictured) shot this doe this evening to fill his extra doe tag. 210 yards with a Savage 110 chambered in .224 TTH. The bullet was a 75gr. Hornady A-max.(3450 fps) We have heard good things about this round on deer and confirmed them as the kill was very quick and devastating. It appeared the bullet fragmented after entering on a downhill quartering away trajectory. Chunks of the heart were found lodged up between the esophagus and neck area.

Nothing like a nice healthy doe for the freezer! Good going, I've always wondered about the .224 TTH.

Iam thinking about building one of those rifles myself. I have a 22-250 but it's twist limits me to the 70 grain Speer tops. I have had good results from the 60 grain Hornady Hollow point though. Funny how nowadays so many people swear that deer couldn't have died as it wasn't hit with an X bullet and there was no exit hole.

Here are more graphic photos of the entrance wound.

holy crap, that thing looks like it was hit with a bazooka!!!

My only problem with the TTH isnt with the caliber itself it's the TTH part. It's a bit self agrandizing to make up a caliber thats just a hair off of the .223, and so many other calibers, and stick the name of your for-profit organization at the end of the caliber. I would have respected the name .224 RCH better.

Just for the record I have no affiliation with Texas Trophy Hunters......

So, I would surmise the same "agrandizing" would apply for the:

.260 Remington (a for profit organization) that attached their name to a wildcat
.264 Winchester Magnum (a for profit organization) that attached their name to a wildcat

The list could go on and on....

By the way, the case capacity of the 6mm Remington (parent case of the .244 TTH) is nearly twice that of a .223......

IV

What is the twist in the barrel and what is the easiest way to go about building one?

rickt300: the twist is 1 in 8". here is a good article on the caliber:

http://www.ttha.com/224tth.htm

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reducing the neck diameter of the .257 Roberts case down to .224

Man, this sure sounds like the tried and true 5.6x57 - which I believe was initially developed in 1964. The bullet most commonly used in factory loads, is a 74 grs (4.8 grams) KS. So even in the selection of bullet weight (and thus barrel twist rate), there does not seem to be much difference between the two calibers.

I guess the 5.6x57 is almost unknown in the US, which could explain the "need" to provide the .224 TTH with a wildcat badge. Or maybe there are minute differences in the shoulder configuration?? But in practice...

- mike

Wow, that Amax is NOT pretty...

Tell your partner congrats on the doe they make some fine eating. That is some serious stopping power the last time I seen a hole in a deer that big it was with my 7 rem mag using a 130gr Sierra BTHP Match at max velocity. The shot was only about 40yrds and just under the spine behind the shoulder.

Talk about some 'blood shot meat".....

I'd tend to think that combo is a little overly destructive for deer....

But it sure looks like a very interesting Prairie Dog set up!

I am going to have to look at the specs on that, to put a barrel on one of my Mausers for a long range prairie dog rig.....

I just read the article about the round, my older memory (note I did not say old!) could not remember what is was based off. To me, it sounds like it is Clark and nothing new.

Still a fun round to snuff game with.

Mark D

As far as the destructive entrance wound, this deer was quartering away from me severely and facing down hill. I held dead on, however I forgot the tried and true "hold low on a down hill shot". What I beleive happened; (and this is speculation)the bullet was presented at a less than optimal angle, more or less it had to rake into the rib cage and it probably began to yaw, I'm sure the plastic tip was pushed back in some fashion, fracturing the jacket and the bullet inmmediately began to tumble as it traveled through with this high impact velocity combined with centrifugal force and a fragmenting jacket the bullet literally flew apart. Causing this large wound. Needless to say the doe did not move when she was hit.
Remender, this cartridge is not a bone crusher, so keep your shots confined to the ribcage. If I had been using an X Bullet this damage would not have been nearly as excessive. Also, if the deer waould have been standing broad side I believe the wound would not have been as excessive.
The barrel is from E. R. Shaw, it's 26" 6 groove with a 1:9" twist. One barrel maker told me not to go with a 1:8" twist because it blew up the majority to the mainstream bullets that are available and limits one to 80+ grains or heavier, but with that higher velocity potential there is no garantee the bullet will stay together.
If you have anymore questions ask!

Does Barnes make a heavy triple shock in .224? That might be just the ticket. Here's the exit wound caused by a 100 grain .257 TSX leaving an antelope. The entrance looked similar.

Barnes currently offers a 70 gr. TSX but it needs about a 1:7 twist. Apparently they are going to be offering a 62 gr. TSX next year which we are looking forward to as it should do well in the 1:9.

I am definetly a huge TSX fan! I recently took a cow at 500+ with a 225 TSX from my 338RUM. We also took another cow with a 130 gr. XLC out of a .270 Win at just over 200 yards and recovered the bullet---it weighed 130 grains still. Despite a lot of negative posts about RUMS and TSX's and exit holes etc. I am a strong believer!

IV

Yes, Barnes has a 70 gr. Tripple Shock. They advbertise a 1:7" twist to stabilize it. When I called their ballistic techs for loading data on the .224-TTH I was informed that a new Tripple Shock in .224 cal. would be available in around December in 62 grs. This one should stabilize in a 1:9" twist. That's what I'm waiting for. Also Swift has a 75 gr. Scirocco? in .224 cal.

I think they are all jealous that your friend got a deer and they had to work. Any good shot with a deer down is better than a sharp stick in the eye anytime.

Congrats, Congrats and did I say Congrats.


BTW: I fit into the I had to work, but I would rather be hunting any day.

"So, I would surmise the same "agrandizing" would apply for the:
.260 Remington (a for profit organization) that attached their name to a wildcat
.264 Winchester Magnum (a for profit organization) that attached their name to a wildcat"....

Agrandizing would not apply to the .260 Remington or the .264 Winchester because those companies developed those rounds, or at least trade marked them.
Texas Trophy Hunters trumpeted the .224 as the second coming of hunting rifles to promote themselves.
I'm not arguing the case size, neck size or bullet diameter, I'm saying that TTH stuck their name on a wildcat that was a nanogram off of previously developed rounds in order to promote a for-profit organization that does nothing for conservation, hunting rights, shooting sports etc. They are entirely a membership driven organization that profits the upper eschelon and makes the rank and file beleive that they actually belong to a legitimate hunting organization just because they have a window sticker.
If winchester, remington etc develop a round and stick their name on it we all know it's to sell and make a profit, there is no deception there. The TTH was not such an instance.
It was a good shot on the deer by the way, tell your friend congratulations.

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So, I would surmise the same "agrandizing" would apply for the:

.260 Remington (a for profit organization) that attached their name to a wildcat
.264 Winchester Magnum (a for profit organization) that attached their name to a wildcat

The list could go on and on.

Let's not forget the:
7mm Shooting Times Westerner
358 Shooting Times Alaskan

I will add my congratulations to you for a successful hunt, but for my money, the damage done by the hyper-velocity bullet is just way too much. I think I will stick with some of the other controlled expansion bullets. To each his own; I just see a lot of bloodshot meat there, including part of one backstrap.

Doubless: I agree, it was certainly more than I would have expected.

Ryan Campbell: Thanks and I will congratulate him. I sense a little "animosity" between you and Texas Trophy Hunters I see you guide in Texas, (not that this thread has anything to do with them at all)---- did you have a run in with them in some shape or form--what gives?

IV

I am not a member ofTexas Trophy Hunters but I occasionally buy their magazine. From it I surmize they are into High fence operations where they manage for trophy deer by supplemental feeding and importing deer with genetic potential for big horns. A lot of this going on in Texas but I don't feel that price tag trophy hunting is good for hunting.

IV. it is based partly in what Rick said. Their magazine is filled with pics of huge deer that are bred in a pen, pumped full of protene, and stocked on ranches to "hunt".
Having said that, I am not against high fences per say, I think they have thier place. But if you read magazine you'll see that it is full of adds promoting themselves. Their articles are self serving, in that the "monster bucks" on the cover tend to come off of ranches that are part of breeding programs. The articles tend to deal with the same half-dozen or so South Texas counties and the ranches that run advertisement with TTH.
There are approximately 300 or so licenced breeders for whitetail deer in TX. These breeders are the only ones that can own individual deer (all wild deer in TX belong to the people of the state, even if that deer is behind a high fence). The breeding organization is an off shoot of TTH and the President of organization is the former president of TTH.
So, if you're in the organization, you have a program, and you want to advertise, guess who you go to.
Then there is the false pretense that their window decal or their products makes you a trophy hunter.
Most people that read their magazine and go to their hunting shows couldn't afford to breath the air on the ranches TTH advertise for, but hey you've got a tee shirt and a decal, you're a trophy hunter....