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Will this expand reliably @ 308win velocities on whitetails? I have it loaded but am worried that it will kill them but zip through and the trailing will start vs using a BT or interbond that will do more damage while in there. Would any of you feel like the 150TTSX will cause more tracking jobs than its worth on deer sized game and moderate velocities (2850 MV) | ||
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Out of the TTSXs I loaded this year which were mostly 130 grainers none of the deer involved tracking. All of them died right there. Tonight's deer (#7) was with a 150 XLC and in went two feet, straight down. The ranges were 140 yards and in. Exit holes were typically 1.5 inch with a 3/4 inch hole in the hide. 150s out to 300 will be just fine. In a .308 I would opt for a 130 TTSX because you get a little better velocity and you still will have penetration to go through a moose if need be. The only reason I would use a 150 over the 130 is that the rifle just wouldn't shoot the 130s. Start a 150 at 2850 and it will kill fine out to 300. So, if you have 150s loaded and dialed in, go hunting and enjoy them. | |||
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The TTSX will open just fine at anyhting it hits when started off at 2850. I have shot lots of barnes TSXs at well below that velocity with know expansion problems. I believe the TTSX was designed to ensure expansion at a broader velocity range. 2850 is not moderate velocity in my mind. I would call 2850 high velocity. I would say 2500-2700 is moderate. I shoot the 180 grn TSX out of my 308 win at 2650 fps. Taken several deer and hogs and they open up just fine. Mike Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Yea Man! Long live NBF!!! - I hunt the hardwoods of TN and my .308 has taken many whitetails over the years...I have experimented with numerous bullets (although I have not used the TTSX)and keep coming back to my good old reliable Nosler Partions. They work well for me from 40yds to 200yds...and they always drop the deer I'm trying to kill. As a matter of fact, just this past weekend I killed a nice buck at under 50 yds and I actually (first time ever) recovered what was left of the bullet. It was lodged just under the skin of the far shoulder and man, talk about carnage from there back to the entry point! It broke both shoulders and litteraly left a trail of bone fragments the size of #7 lead shot from entry to end... "Everybody told me you can't far on $37.00 and and a jap guitar" ~ S.E. "Turn me loose, set me free, somewhere in the middle of Montana." ~ M.H. Wild Bob | |||
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we have a farm in cannon county... NBF was the MAN THE TTSX shoots so good in my gun but i havent connected on a deer yet to test it out....im going for dbl shoulder if given the chance | |||
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You won't find so much experience with the TTSXs because this is the first year they have been available. Based on my experience with the Xand TSX bullets I loaded only TTSX bullets for this year and found outstanding accuracy with the 30 caliber 130s in all the guns. One .308 Win didn't like 130s but was more accurate with 150s. Of the deer hit in the chest with the 130s the results were uniform. The deer died right there. The heart and lungs were destroyed except for one that was hit very high, that one had no lung tissue but the heart was intact. I loaded for a 788 with a 20 inch barrel and it loved the 130 TTSXs which If I remember correctly were pushed in that gun with 46 grains of Varget and came out around 2800 or so. 3/4 inch groups. | |||
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I can only help you with two experiences using a TTSX for now and that was one of my black bears in BC this past spring and my TX antelope. The bear was about 95-100 yards if I recall. I used 30.06 and 168 TTSX. I purposely aimed at the bulk of the shoulder as the bear was broadside. The performance was as expected. Dead bear, massive wound, lots and lots of blood. The TTSX used on the antelope has already been posted, but it was a 110 from my 270. Pass through, dead pronghorn, lots of damage, small hole in, quarter size exit, if that. I cannot recall one game animal that I've shot with a Barnes TSX that traveled anywhere but straight down. So far, all of my kills with TSX have been from a 270 or 30.06. I also have numerous Barnes kills from a muzzleloader, including antelope, but the rest are deer. I can recall one doe managing to run about 30 yards after a dbl lung shot at 130 yards from my ml and a Barnes 285 hollow pt boat tail in a sabot. I use 3 sticks of American Pioneer powder. 3" high at 100, 4" low at 200. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns | |||
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I load 165gr TSX's in my 308 at 2600fps. If you have a ballistics chart or program you will notice the 165s far outperform the 130/150gr going much faster. I shot a 190# buck this weekend at 355 yards through both shoulders and dropped him in his tracks. Less recoil would be the only reason I could see in using the lighter loads, accuracy being equal. | |||
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