quote:Originally posted by waksupi: Any one not living in an area where wolves are not present, stop posting on subjects concerning them.
You haven't any first hand knowledge of them, make asses of yourselves, and are tying to tell the rest of us how to make a living.
Go clean up your own back yard.
You have nothing worthwhile to add to the exchange. So don't respond here.
Thats a rather broad and generalized flame.. Since a pair were recently found about 60 miles from where I live does that qualify me to have an opinion??
Waksupi, your point is valid and well taken, if not a bit myopic. I live in the SF Bay Area of California, where, of course, there are no wolves. It is interesting to read and contrast the posts from those who live in wolf country, and those who do not. Myself being a conservative gun-bearing hunting-fanatic, in the land of birkenstocks and socialists, would not think to argue for wolf-reintroduction, ANYWHERE where the locals are so vehemently opposed to it. The same types of things happen here as well, spefically regarding the mountain lion. It would be entertaining, though, to see a pack of wolves running through the streets of Berkeley or SF, chasing sandal-wearing communists with pork-chops tied around their necks...
Posts: 403 | Location: South of Alamo, Ca. | Registered: 30 January 2003
O'K, I'll take the bait. I don't have wolves in my area and never will because I don't live in or near a prime wilderness area, just small to medium size ranches and farms where coyotes rule. Wolves wouldn't stand a chance around here as everyone would be gunning for them no-matter the law. Our coyotes get a break because they rarely take a calf but if a gun is in hand when a yote is spotted then he's usually history. Soooo, my take is that wolves inside yellowstone park are o'k but outside the park they need to be tightly controlled and outside the national forest into the ranchlands....they're dead meat anytime spotted. It certainly makes sense to me that there were a few wolves as far south as wyoming before "reintroduction" as the, I would assume offspring of park wolves, have been found so far from yellowstone. Canada has them, so they would naturally drift in from there as they can be great wanderers. As for the biologist that said wolves don't kill moose....well he's just a liar and he knows it. Hell they kill bison in wood buffalo national park and that's a tougher kill than moose. You Michigan people know about the island in the U.P. area that has a pack of wolves and a herd of moose that is that wolf pack's main prey species. That island has been reffered to as kind of a laboratory for wolf/prey research. Last I saw about the subject, that wolf pack and moose herd seem to be keeping a reasonable balance for both's survival....there.
The UP wolves were naturally occuring weren't they? Or were they released? If they were released I am sure they were not released in the numbers in yellowstone. Also, in December a large male was shot in north eastern Nebraska. There are reports of there being two more in the same area. http://www.ngpc.state.ne.us/cgi-shl/ultimatebb.cgi check this site out and look under Spalding Wolf. There is a picture of it.,
quote: It would be entertaining, though, to see a pack of wolves running through the streets of Berkeley or SF, chasing sandal-wearing communists with pork-chops tied around their necks...[/QB]
There are fair numbers of wolves both where I live and where I hunt.Game populations (with the exception of black bears)are low where I live and wolves do take a number of game animals each year.The problem is that so do black bears and poachers and the ever present so-called subsistance hunters.With so many factors influencing our game populations the fish and wildlife people just keep reducing the number of tags issued to sport hunters because they can do little about the other factors.The result is that our game populations keep dropping with no end in sight.Where I hunt sheep there used to be a good population of elk and moose up until about ten years ago when the wolves moved in.The populations have dwindled to the point that I rarely even see a moose or elk today.In this area both poaching and the native influence is minimal due to the difficulty in accessing the best areas.Both poachers and natives tend to stick to easy access areas so they leave this area alone.Therefore the decline of the game populations can be attributed to the wolves in this particular area.The good news is that in the past couple of years even wolf sightings have been rare.I guess they have moved on to new areas that they have not yet ravaged.
Posts: 3104 | Location: alberta,canada | Registered: 28 January 2002
quote: Any one not living in an area where wolves are not present, stop posting on subjects concerning them.
Your double negative makes it where people living with wolves can not post. But I'll take that as an error and say "In the country we both are from, you have the right to tell me that I can not post on the subject of wolves and I have the same right to tell you I will post on anything I damn well feel like."
quote:You haven't any first hand knowledge of them, make asses of yourselves, and are tying to tell the rest of us how to make a living.
Seems here, you know everything and assume everyone not living with wolves is ignorant to any topic concerning the wolves. That my friend has put you into your own catagory of "Ass". I have no idea how you make a living, so all I can say is good luck, I would hope no one would intentionally try to ruin someones livelyhood.
quote:Go clean up your own back yard.
My yard is clean, always has been and always will be. (It does get messy at times, but I have always been able to straighten it back up)
quote:You have nothing worthwhile to add to the exchange. So don't respond here.
Hmm...Everyone's opinion is worthwhile, even if it does not agree with yours. Please open your eyes and try to see others peoples points of view. It might change your mind or give you an insight of thier thought process, where you can present your information in a more clear way, which might one day pursuade them to join your side.
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Posts: 111 | Location: florida | Registered: 17 February 2003
wstrnhuntr is right . . . what a ridiculous topic! You may as well have said, "OK, I know this is a "discussion" board but no one is allowed to discuss anything"!
I live in Arizona now but used to live in Utah where wolves were found recently. I favor wolf reintroduction because I like to hunt predators as well as prey. Please send Arizona and Utah grizzlies next!
Thanks,
JohnTheGreek
Posts: 4697 | Location: North Africa and North America | Registered: 05 July 2001
Becareful for what you wish for. You should come hunt here in Wyoming up around Dubois and you can have a few bears visit your camp couple nights a week. Good hunting.
quote:Originally posted by Scratch: JohnTheGreek Becareful for what you wish for. You should come hunt here in Wyoming up around Dubois and you can have a few bears visit your camp couple nights a week. Good hunting. Scratch
I'm with John, having lived with wolves and black bears in Minnesota for 19 yrs or so. Having lived AZ with bears and lions for a couple of years, I can understand JTG's wishing for the wolves and grizzlies. They would be grand.
We have our first returning wolves this year, bears last year. There is hope. For those of you that have them and don't like'em, I can only say, too bad you cannot appreciate how luck you are.
Brent (in Iowa waiting for more wolves )
Posts: 2257 | Location: Where I've bought resident tags:MN, WI, IL, MI, KS, GA, AZ, IA | Registered: 30 January 2002
After re-reading your post MANY times I would like to ask you who made you the resident expert on wolves? The wolf is just another game animal in need of managing by REAL people with REAL knowledge of them. They need to be given status as a trophy big game just like bears and other carnivorous animals. Don’t blame the animal for the problems cause by a few un-educated fools. Lawdog
Posts: 1254 | Location: Northern California | Registered: 22 December 2002
quote:Originally posted by JohnTheGreek: wstrnhuntr is right . . . what a ridiculous topic! You may as well have said, "OK, I know this is a "discussion" board but no one is allowed to discuss anything"!
I live in Arizona now but used to live in Utah where wolves were found recently. I favor wolf reintroduction because I like to hunt predators as well as prey. Please send Arizona and Utah grizzlies next!
Thanks,
JohnTheGreek
Steady there fella!! We just got Chronic wasting disease introduced here, one catastrophic event at a time please..
I think that if Waksupi were offered another chance at his intentions he might word it differently, I can appreciate the frustrations of being poorly regulated from afar by people who dont know or even care about the facts.
Let them post whatever they want. As long as they stay the fuck out of Wyoming. Gettin' real sick of these types of assholes moving here at midlife and then trying to change things they don't understand.
In 1987 Red wolves were returned to the wild in western North Carolina and in 1991 they were reintroduced into Tennessee in The Great Smokey Mountians National Park. Red wolves are twice the size of coyotes and about 1/2 the size of gray wolves.They will cross with coyotes,so that may be where some of the red coyotes are comming from.It is almost impossible to raise sheep or goats in Tennessee unless you have a sheep dog,llama,or jackass running with them to drive away the predators. WC
In the last couple of years here in the Caribou/100 mile house area the moose population is exploding. So is the wolf population. People were only seeing them in the remote corners of the area but now trappers are getting more and more, there being seen on the highway and in farmers fields. We've done a good job helping the moose but the two go hand and hand. The only problem is if the moose take a sudden decline because of disease, bad winters or the moose tick again the wolf population will take a little longer to drop and decimate every thing else. I just wish they a good craving for coyote. Their numbers are way out of control. I can't get sleep lots of nights because of thier yapping and I won't bother with owning chickens here like the previous house owner. He had 14 and they cleaned him down to 3 in no time. They tried to eat Jake the the border colley who would gladly die for them dumb chickens.
Posts: 4326 | Location: Under the North Star! | Registered: 25 December 2002
I think the coyotes must have cleaned up the caribou and moose around my part of Indiana, cause I aint seen a caribou or moose around here for years, and the coyotes seem to be thick.
Posts: 199 | Location: North Central Indiana | Registered: 09 September 2002
I can shoot 3 wolves just by buying my yearly hunting license, and I plan on filling it. The wolves are getting out of hand around here. I do believe in the natural cycle of their population increasing and declining, but lately everyone is talking about seeing larger packs and more moose kills. I was out quadding before Christmas and I ran into a pack of 10, but couldn't get my damn SKS outta the straps fast enough to pull the trigger on them. I'm all for shooting them. Three per tag, and if more people went out and hunted them, I think the numbers would stabilize better...
quote:Originally posted by jeremy w: Let them post whatever they want. As long as they stay the fuck out of Wyoming. Gettin' real sick of these types of assholes moving here at midlife and then trying to change things they don't understand.
jeremy...I think some of the Blackfeet, Crow and Cheyenne tried to send the same meessage on a different forum but their internet connection was down in the 1800s I'm sure its a bitch being regulated from afar.....
Posts: 569 | Location: VA, USA | Registered: 22 January 2002
quote: jeremy...I think some of the Blackfeet, Crow and Cheyenne tried to send the same meessage on a different forum but their internet connection was down in the 1800s I'm sure its a bitch being regulated from afar.....
And wouldn't you know that "they" were pretty damned good stewards of the land and wildlife. Sad that their `net connection is STILL down.
][/QUOTE]jeremy...I think some of the Blackfeet, Crow and Cheyenne tried to send the same meessage on a different forum but their internet connection was down in the 1800s I'm sure its a bitch being regulated from afar.....[/QUOTE]
Uhh oh. I detect another "I should hate myself because I am white" vibe. You should come teach at the local community college, would fit right in. I don't understand the mentality of easterners that think sitting in an office reading newspaper editorials makes them "smarter" than us "hicks".
N-Americans were exterminated from every state. Some of the bloodiest acts were commited on the east coast.
That's too funny Dave! I always find it odd that Non-Aboriginal people blame wolves, bears, coyotes, Natives and any other predator for the decline in animal populations, but forget to level the finger at themselves.
Non-aboriginal hunters take far more animals than do subsistence hunters just in the sheer fact that there are more of them. Ever notice how the game populations go up when LEH is introduced? Less animals taken by the larger population means more animals tomorrow.
Also, what about the effects of logging, large-scale farming, big industry and pollution? How about habitat destruction or the fact that we may have poor game management practices in place? I mean playing god isn't an exact science. No, that couldn't be it, it must be the other predators and Indians...
Turok
Posts: 219 | Location: Prince George, B.C | Registered: 07 March 2001
What in the world do native americans have to do with wolves. I have Arapaho friends that are just as perturbed as I am about the wolf re-introduction. My friends like to eat elk and deer also. They were the first human hunters in this country anyway!
OK everybody calm the f*ck down. The only point I was trying to make is that NOBODY ever has liked being regulated by a government removed from the areas that are being affected by the regs....The first time I ever hunted out west I was somewhat shocked and dissapointed to see what the free range cattle were doing to the "public" lands... and the elk/deer habitat. Farmers and ranchers wont let the Commonwealth of VA reintroduce Elk into our National Forests but they did recently open a season on them so that the strays that wonder over from KY can be shot before they settle into this niche/former range. BTW we already cleaned up our backyard. One of my ancestors in the 1750s is on record at the local court house for bringing in the heads of 7 Wolves at one time...he and others got paid in tobacco for every head they brought in..... Good Luck
Posts: 569 | Location: VA, USA | Registered: 22 January 2002
I agree with you Dave, the government f**cked up on the wolf issue and they are not man enough to admit it to the people. Now tabacco for 7 heads, COOL! I would prefer a six-pack though!
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