WSJ Story on Long Range Hunting

19 December 2016, 18:28

quote:
Originally posted by Woodrow S:

Hey, the anti-hunters don't need any ammunition to use against us..we provide our own. Us as hunters are often times NOT very good stewards of our past-time hobbies for sure. This is just another one.

Absolutely. We have a tough enough time defending hunting in this day and age without providing those opposed to hunting textbook examples of hunters behaving poorly and in ways that are not respectful of the animals hunted. Then we act surprised and indignant when folks are critical of hunting. About time we started doing a better job of getting our own house in order.

19 December 2016, 22:25

Snellstrom

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Originally posted by OLBIKER:
Bullshit.I have been hunting Montana ,Wyoming,Kansas,South Dakota for over 40 years and have always managed to get with in 300 yards if not closer to game.I also hunt Wi. and the UP where you could get shots to 1,000 yards if you wanted to.

Exactly the response I expected from a windbag who hasn't been there and hasn't done that. Ready to give his own limit of 300 yards as the gospel for all other hunters to follow and if you don't you are unethical.
You aren't qualified to tell me or anyone else what their limits are and what is ethical.
With this attitude we will succeed at destroying the future of hunting.
Bowhunters look down their noses at rifle hunters, rifle hunters say bow shooters wound too much game, mid west hunters think there is no way you should shoot past 300 yards or you are not a hunter, .243 is a marginal deer cartridge and a .223 totally inadequate, .270 isn't an approved elk rifle .338 is where elk rifles begin, do you see my point? We need to quit this division or it will be the death of our sport.
Morality and ethics are not something that you can have staunch guidelines for they are an individual judgement and freedom.
It truly steams me that someone with different experiences than I should set rules for me or shame me for a difference of opinion.
I could care less if someone is shooting deer at 1,000 yards if they have the equipment and the shooting experience then hey my hats off to them, it may not be for everyone but it's funny how some people are quick to condemn what is beyond their own abilities.

19 December 2016, 22:48

Venandi

Is the argument over taking long range shots in general or the use of automation to facilitate those long range shots?

This is not "fire and forget" or guided missile technology. You line the sights up on your target and pull the trigger once to "tag" the target. The trigger is then released and system quickly reads the conditions and makes the necessary ballistics calculations. Pulling the trigger again (and holding it) allows the system to fire the rifle when the computer "sees" the proper image in the scope.

In my opinion this is a whole lot of screwing around for something that works in only one situation - absolutely stationary targets.

19 December 2016, 23:30

OLBIKER

quote:
Originally posted by Snellstrom:
quote:
Originally posted by OLBIKER:
Bullshit.I have been hunting Montana ,Wyoming,Kansas,South Dakota for over 40 years and have always managed to get with in 300 yards if not closer to game.I also hunt Wi. and the UP where you could get shots to 1,000 yards if you wanted to.

Exactly the response I expected from a windbag who hasn't been there and hasn't done that. Ready to give his own limit of 300 yards as the gospel for all other hunters to follow and if you don't you are unethical.
You aren't qualified to tell me or anyone else what their limits are and what is ethical.
With this attitude we will succeed at destroying the future of hunting.
Bowhunters look down their noses at rifle hunters, rifle hunters say bow shooters wound too much game, mid west hunters think there is no way you should shoot past 300 yards or you are not a hunter, .243 is a marginal deer cartridge and a .223 totally inadequate, .270 isn't an approved elk rifle .338 is where elk rifles begin, do you see my point? We need to quit this division or it will be the death of our sport.
Morality and ethics are not something that you can have staunch guidelines for they are an individual judgement and freedom.
It truly steams me that someone with different experiences than I should set rules for me or shame me for a difference of opinion.
I could care less if someone is shooting deer at 1,000 yards if they have the equipment and the shooting experience then hey my hats off to them, it may not be for everyone but it's funny how some people are quick to condemn what is beyond their own abilities.

You shot your mouth off without reading all my posts.Go back and read them and STFU!!!OB

20 December 2016, 03:39

Snellstrom

quote:
Originally posted by OLBIKER:

You shot your mouth off without reading all my posts.Go back and read them and STFU!!!OB

I read all your posts and I still think you are trying to bully your opinions onto others I don't buy it I think you are bag of wind, you don't run this site so you don't get to tell me to STFU!!OB
We all get to have an opinion yours doesn't matter to me in the least because you are out of your depth.

20 December 2016, 03:45

Crazyhorseconsulting

Yep, I can see hunters standing together to save hunting, we don't have anything to worry about.

20 December 2016, 05:16

OLBIKER

quote:
Originally posted by Snellstrom:
quote:
Originally posted by OLBIKER:

You shot your mouth off without reading all my posts.Go back and read them and STFU!!!OB

I read all your posts and I still think you are trying to bully your opinions onto others I don't buy it I think you are bag of wind, you don't run this site so you don't get to tell me to STFU!!OB
We all get to have an opinion yours doesn't matter to me in the least because you are out of your depth.

I think you are still butt hurt Hillary lost.Show me where I forced my opinion on anyone?You are right ,I do not run this site.If you don`t like my opinions,don`t read then or put me on ignore.I still am going to post my opinion with out your permission.GFY,OB

20 December 2016, 06:48

Venandi

quote:
Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Yep, I can see hunters standing together to save hunting, we don't have anything to worry about.

Gotta agree with you on that, Crazy. The lasts couple posts are textbook examples of what you said

I've lurked on vegan and animal rights boards and have yet to see the kind of arguing that goes on on hunting forum boards.

20 December 2016, 06:57

Crazyhorseconsulting

And we worry about the future of hunting, glad I am old enough that I probably won't see it happen.

20 December 2016, 07:43

Snellstrom

quote:
Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Yep, I can see hunters standing together to save hunting, we don't have anything to worry about.

That was my point exactly minus the sarcasm.
As long as the few like OLBLOWHARD try to stifle adult conversation we will remain separated.
We need to find common ground as hunters and fight the other side, not fight amongst ourselves.

20 December 2016, 08:27

OLBIKER

quote:
Originally posted by Snellstrom:
quote:
Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Yep, I can see hunters standing together to save hunting, we don't have anything to worry about.

That was my point exactly minus the sarcasm.
As long as the few like OLBLOWHARD try to stifle adult conversation we will remain separated.
We need to find common ground as hunters and fight the other side, not fight amongst ourselves.

Here is what I said.
I really don`t care how anyone else hunts."I" like to get as close as possible.That is the challenge I set for myself.Ethics is just a word that some use to describe their idea of how to hunt right or wrong.Ethics has nothing to do with hunting .Hunting is about getting meat for some or bone for others.There are certain types of hunting I will not engage in.That does not mean they are right or wrong.Just my personal opinion that I do not force on anyone else.OB

Your lack of comprehension of the English language is astounding.OB

21 December 2016, 02:56

Navaluk

I do not support all "legal" forms of killing animals. Not going to lie and say I do.

I am concerned with the appearance of wounding animals at ANY range. I am particularly concerned with not allowing the general public to find out:

1. Most big game is shot at, at less than 200 yards. and
2. That's where the lions share of the wounding, occurs. and
3. At least 40% of American hunters could not consistently hit an SUV at 300 yards under field conditions, with any rifle you care to hand them.

Then again, if hunters in the US were required to pass a serious field shooting test before getting a tag, it sure would eliminate the competition of hunting on federal land, so I can see that may be worth thinking about. And fewer wounded animals is something 60% of us could agree on, probably.

21 December 2016, 04:16

Snellstrom

quote:
Originally posted by Navaluk:
I do not support all "legal" forms of killing animals. Not going to lie and say I do.
I am concerned with the appearance of wounding animals at ANY range. I am particularly concerned with not allowing the general public to find out:

1. Most big game is shot at, at less than 200 yards. and
2. That's where the lions share of the wounding, occurs. and
3. At least 40% of American hunters could not consistently hit an SUV at 300 yards under field conditions, with any rifle you care to hand them.

Then again, if hunters in the US were required to pass a serious field shooting test before getting a tag, it sure would eliminate the competition of hunting on federal land, so I can see that may be worth thinking about. And fewer wounded animals is something 60% of us could agree on, probably.

I agree with 90% of what you said.
I do support all legal methods of take, if it's legal it's allowed and if you or I don't like it then that is our preference but I'll not tell someone that they can't do it that way if it's legal.
I agree wholeheartedly about the general populace being poor shots. I feel lucky to have around me friends and family who practice their art and are more than likely in the top 10% of hunters out there.

21 December 2016, 04:43

Crazyhorseconsulting

So what we do, is take an already dwindling number of hunters, and create rules that could or will further reduce that number.

That makes good sense, we reduce the overall numbers of hunters, and the states are going to really see a reason to keep having hunting seasons that a dwindling number of people are going to take advantage of?????????????

Really, that is a solution?

21 December 2016, 17:52

35whelenman

As I see it, it's not about legal methods of take, but about self-control. As others have noted, we can't outlaw things we don't like just because we don't like them. Conversely, just because something is technically legal, doesn't mean you should do it.

I don't have the driving experience of Dale Earnhardt Jr. or Nico Rosber. But that doesn't mean they get to drive faster on the interstate just because they have more training and experience driving fast. When there are lives other than your own which you will be directly affecting, you have a moral obligation that extends past simple laws.

I don't want to tell anyone else what to do. I want more people to understand that just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

22 December 2016, 00:48

wasbeeman

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Originally posted by Snellstrom:
[QUOTE)
I agree wholeheartedly about the general populace being poor shots. .

Oh really? You sure came unglued in another post where someone made the same conjecture.

22 December 2016, 02:08

Snellstrom

quote:
Originally posted by wasbeeman:
quote:
Originally posted by Snellstrom:
[QUOTE)
I agree wholeheartedly about the general populace being poor shots. .

Oh really? You sure came unglued in another post where someone made the same conjecture.

That's all you got?
I actually got my hackles up when I posted a picture of a group and you claimed it was faked.
Crawl back under the bridge troll and let the big kids continue the adult discussion.

22 December 2016, 04:08

wasbeeman

[/QUOTE]
That's all you got?
I actually got my hackles up when I posted a picture of a group and you claimed it was faked.
Crawl back under the bridge troll and let the big kids continue the adult discussion.[/QUOTE]
No, once again, you're wrong. You didn't post a picture of a group, you posted a picture of a three shot cluster. And I merely mentioned that it was 3 shots. Somewhere down the line, someone posted abut the average hunter being a poor shot and I agreed. You proceeded to start pounding your chest and dragging your knuckles about how you were the greatest, etc, etc. And you called me a troll. Pretty stupid. I'm far from a troll but name calling seems to be what you're best at. So when you have nothing, that's what you do.
Your last line should have said "big MOUTHED" boy.
You need to get someone with a little reading comprehension to start reading and explaining these post to you.

22 December 2016, 04:19

Snellstrom

quote:
Originally posted by wasbeeman:
No, once again, you're wrong. You didn't post a picture of a group, you posted a picture of a three shot cluster.
You need to get someone with a little reading comprehension to start reading and explaining these post to you.

Please explain this to me oh wise one? I can't wait for you to explain how 3 shot groups are only clusters, then proceed to accuse me of faking group pictures because this is the internet.
Or maybe you could be a big boy and try to get back on topic, I doubt you can your MO is fight and argue and shit on anyones post who differs in opinion from yourself....

22 December 2016, 06:12

wasbeeman

Let's see, you've anointed yourself with the title of "top 10% shooter". How did you arrive at that? Out in the flat lands of Colorado, do you have special matches where you only shoot 3 shots? I've never shot in a match like that.
You natter on like a little girl. As if you're the only one allowed to make a post and if anyone's experiences are different, you resort to name calling and telling them to leave. As if you're somebody.
And, until you started spouting off, I was right on topic. There is a whole lot of difference between making extended range shots on game and HAVING to make shots at extended range. Most of the justifications you hear are rather spurious.
I do wish you'd post where I said you faked your pictures of your 3 shot "groups". Until then (and I'll type this real slow) GFY!

22 December 2016, 07:13

Venandi

Wow! Lots of holiday cheer and goodwill going on here.

22 December 2016, 07:35

Crazyhorseconsulting

Merry Christmas Sir to one and all on here.

22 December 2016, 22:02

John Chalmers

quote:
Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Merry Christmas Sir to one and all on here.

And to you CHC.

22 December 2016, 22:18

Snellstrom

Merry Christmas to you ALL, I hope each and every one of you and your families have a great Holiday season.
God bless.

23 December 2016, 00:58

L. David Keith

quote:
It's not the quality or truth of the article that matters, it's the public perception of it.

Frank

Well said Frank, well said.

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25 December 2016, 23:11

MTGunner

Choose your hunting method. Choose to be a stalking or long range hunter. Technology, at this point, enables long range kills. Stalking requires a certain skill level. Long range work also involves a certain skill set. The WSJ has little information or desire to research either method. What the WSJ desires is controversy by not detailing the entire story. Those that read this rag, for the most part, know little of each chosen method. We all know this and can read between the lines.

25 December 2016, 23:13

MTGunner

quote:
Originally posted by MTGunner:
Choose your hunting method. Choose to be a stalking or long range hunter. Technology, at this point, enables long range kills. Stalking requires a certain skill level. Long range work also involves a certain skill set. The WSJ has little information or desire to research either method. What the WSJ desires is controversy by not detailing the entire story. Those that read this rag, for the most part, know little of each chosen method. We all know this and can read between the lines.

26 December 2016, 06:44

Snellstrom

Very well said MTGunner.

27 December 2016, 03:05

Crazyhorseconsulting

Problem is, people without the skill/knowledge/ability are attempting to duplicate these folks results.

We either join together and attempt to portray ourselves as conscience individuals, or we simply encourage people to attempt things that are beyond their ability.

Personally. I would prefer to see hunting still be a viable opportunity for those coming along behind all of us older hunters. Course I guess there are those that do not care about the future of hunting.