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Hey guys I have recently signed up for a bear hunt in Maine. I use a 270 pretty exclusively and have not been let down ever. my outfitter requested i use 150gr bullets but i have personally seen a bull moose fall to a 130barnes bullet. what do i do?? he said 180s at first but ive never seen them just gimme some ideas thanks Charlie Williams | ||
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I'd go with 150 grain partition | |||
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How about a 150 gr TSX? That will get it done...  | |||
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While I am sure a 130 grain bullet would work for a bear in your 270, why start out your hunt by going against your guides wishes? I personally like the 140 Nosler Partition in my 270 WSM. I shot a black bear with it last year here in CA and it just crumpled that bear. The bear was on a dead run and when shot it just slid to stop, not sure it did more than kick about twice. The bullet went clear through both shoulders. Make the guide happy and use a 150 Partition, it should work great. Just one opinion. R Flowers | |||
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Bear hunting in Maine is close up. Most shots are under 30 yards. I shoot 270 also and I would also opt for a 150. A 130 up close will probably pass right on through, MAYBE, depending on the bullet. But a 150 might be best. Bears are the exception for me, where I do want an exit hole. Despite my love and trust in a TSX bullet, it would not be my first choice shooting a bear at 17 yards. I'd opt for an aframe/partition/tbbc style bullet. Just try to break the shoulder. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns | |||
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130gr Speer Boattail loaded down slightly will knock the stem winding *#*) out of a Black Bear. I use 57gr of H4831 or about 3 to 4 grains off maximum. Free men should not be subjected to permits, paperwork and taxation in order to carry any firearm. NRA Benefactor | |||
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Mainly because most guides no little to nothing about rifles and ammunition. A 180 grainer in a .270? I rest my case. Assuming that you're a handloader, load your favorite load and simply write on the box ".270 Win, 180 grain Spitzers". That way you'll have a pleased guide and no one blaming your ammunition. Seriously, nearly any .270 load would probably do fine, but a 150 grain partition covers the waterfront, so if those shoot well in your rifle, just use them. | |||
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I'm another who would use a 150 Partition. That's all I use in my .270 Win. I would guess that your shots will most likely be at relatively short range - say 100 yds. or less. I'd rather have a bit heavier, slower bullet in this situation. My load is 56.5 grs. of Rldr-22 and I easily get 1" groups. I tentatively agree with Stonecreek. Sounds like your guide isn't too familiar with firearms or it may be he was thinking 1 thing but said something else. Regardless, I'd go with a 150 Partition. They've always worked for me. Bear in Fairbanks Unless you're the lead dog, the scenery never changes. I never thought that I'd live to see a President worse than Jimmy Carter. Well, I have. Gun control means using two hands. | |||
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130-160gr pick your favorite  Any, and all hunting bullets will do on ANY black bear over bait. | |||
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I would use the 150 gr. partiton too. However I would try the various weights and use the one that shot the best. | |||
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Since shots are expected to be very close you might consider the 160 grain Nosler semt-round nose Partition. Great penetration with that bullet. 465H&H | |||
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How many bear have you shot with your 270? How many bears do you think your guide has seen shot? | |||
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While I don't know the average size of bears there. Here in Idaho the average bear is 150 pounds. I do NOT see the need for anything larger than a 130 gr. Even if it weighed 300 pounds. 130 gr Hornady Interbond will kill any black bear on this continent. Ron | |||
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Welcome to the forums Charlie. I think a 150 is probably a good choice as the bear is likely to be close, and a 130 might be moving quicker than the design envelopes for it. I'd go with SGK 150's they are damn accurate and hammers on game. Plus they're real reasonable price wise! Good luck on a big bruin. | |||
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Enough to know that any bullet designed for hunting from a 270 ranging from 130-160gr will pass right through and leave two holes and a dead bear. With satisfactory shot placement of course. | |||
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I have always wanted to load one bullet weight and stick with it, but I just can't do it. I always want to load the perfect load for whatever game I am hunting. However, I have always wanted to try the 140 grain Nosler Partition. I think it would be the best of both worlds. The 140 grainer at 3000 fps and good penetration. For a bear only load though the 160 grain partition would be my choice. BUT I always keep some 150s loaded up for just this kind of thing. Oh well, so much for picking one and going with it. | |||
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I've never shot a bear and never hunted in Maine, so I'm no expert. But I'd be willing to bet that the plain ol Remington 150gr RNCL, would work fine. | |||
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Olarmy, if someone ever took your bet, they'd lose, you'd win. I agree with you. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns | |||
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I like th performance of the 140grAccubonds out of my 270WSM. The 140gr TSX would be another | |||
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Haven't shot any bears with my 270 but I know that just any 130 grain bullet will not necessarily make two holes. I like the 150 grain Speer Hotcors or Hornady bullets in my 270 for slightly heavier than deer animals. Bears, like feral hogs are built a bit tougher than deer and often shot angles are not perfectly broadside. The partition is a good choice also. Leftists are intellectually vacant, but there is no greater pleasure than tormenting the irrational. | |||
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Use whatever bullet you have confidence in, and tell the guide they're 150's, even if they're not. It's not the weight of the bullet that matters anyway. If that's what the outfitter thinks, then he doesn't know much. What matters is shot placement, and bullet construction. Use any of the premium bullets such as Partitions, TSX, Accubond, A-Frame, Bear Claws, etc. and it won't matter if it's 130, 140, 150, or 160. If you like the 130 Barnes, use it. The guide doesn't need to know what your bullets weigh. | |||
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guides and outfitters hunt the whole gamit of hunters. first timers to folkes you would love to have on your side in a gun fight.its easier to trail an overkilled bear than the opposite.my experience, bears are pretty soft and i feel its more important to have a well placed bullet reguardless of all the thunder about 10-30 grains bullet weight difference. confidence and the ability to place a well placed shot recovers more game at the end of short blood trails than all the magic bullets out there.case in point,guided a hunter last year in new mexico,killed a bear that goes 7'2" @ 550+ lbs and was dead in less than 100 yds with a single well placed 243.shot distance was 150 yds. | |||
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In my particular rifle, 140 gr TSX's and 150 Grain Noslers shoot great with the same powder charge, 55.0 grains of IMR 4831. I have switched almost exclusively to the TSX's as they provide, in my expereince, a greated wound channel and a higher percentage of exit holes. Let's not forget we are talking about only 10 grains of bullet, however. The Nosler will quickly loose at least 10 grains of lead as it opens up. The TSX will retain 99+% of its weight under all but the most severe conditions. I've killed a lot of game with both bullets, and don't have a problem using either. I agree with earlier comments - if a guide is uncomfortable with one versus the other, it shows he has little experience with those rounds. Both will kill any black bear just as dead as the other. The TSX gives a little better BC for long range shooting, and stays together a bit better. Neither are bad choices, however. Shoot what works best in your gun and don't get into a big discussion with your guide about it. Have a great hunt. Bill | |||
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If your rifle shoots the 130 TXS fine then I would use them and never look back they will penetrate as good or better than a 150 grain partion and the terminal performance is outstanding with the TXS..........  _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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I'm allways amazed at how many AR posters are stuck in the past. Why would anyone want to use 50 year old bullet technology, Partitions were tops in their time, but with the invention of the X bullet partitions became unnecessary. The 130 TSX in the 270win will cleanly kill any game in North America. I would use my stanard load and not look back. If your guide is that ignorant you might consider changing guides. DR B | |||
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Maybe because 50yr old bullets still work, just as well as they did 50 years ago? It may be amazing to you, but we WERE able to kill game quite nicely back in the '50's (and even earlier)... I guess bowhunters are stuck even farther in the past? Why is using the "latest and greatest" supposedly "better" when it is not necessary? This sport is supposed to be for fun. Why can't we all use what we enjoy using (as long as it works) without being subjected to condescending remarks? | |||
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The old arguement that it work in the old days and it still works today.This arguement is valid. They lifted heavy objects in the old day with a block and tackle and it will still work today, but most would rather use a crane,because it is an improvement and the same goes for bullets the TXS are an improvement over any cup and core bullet period.....  _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Bear in Maine are a very close in proposition, so the 150 Nosler is the best medicine.  Member NRA, SCI- Life #358 28+ years now! DRSS, double owner-shooter since 1983, O/U .30-06 Browning Continental set. | |||
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 Only on the internet. Just because its new, its gotta be better. God that's dumb. The only black bear I've seen shot with an X bullet was with a 9.3X62 at 35 yards, and was only the second true bullet failure I had ever seen in the field. We recovered the bear, but only after we went back to camp for the hounds. We followed the wound channel through the bear. It was hard to believe it was made by a 9.3, looked more like a smallbore FMJ. That cured me of X bullets. Not an isolated experience either. A good friend of mine just got back from a long safari in Botswana for elephant and lesser game. When he asked his professional, a long time PH, what softs he should bring, the PH recommended Partitions...and then specifically requested that he NOT bring X bullets. He said he was tired of losing wounded game. For close range shots on baited bear with a .270, I agree with 465 H&H. The 160 grain Partition would be the best choice, hands down. --------------------------------------------- "Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder." | |||
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Compareing X's to TXS's now that's dumb  Never shot an X.I've killed to many head of game with TXS to take your opion serious....Have used many Partions prior to TXS's and no comparion TXS's hands downContinue on with the old Block and tackle it's a free country use lesser equipment if you wish......... Nosler just introduced the Etip trying hard to catch up to the TXS,GS Custom,etc...  _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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In Maine, 100-125 lbs would be average. Sure, there are some freaks there, but most are the size of a small dog !!! I would shoot what I was comfortable with. Obviously the guide knows nothing about .270 bullet weights. Elite Archery and High Country dealer. | |||
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You obviously haven't. X, TSX...same old low tech unreliable mono-metal bullshit.
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The 130 TXS would work great. My second choice would be the 160 Partition. | |||
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Geez fellas. Let's not get nasty. Honestly, there's no reason to start flinging dirt. I strongly disagree with the X or TSX assessment as it is BS technology. I've never found that to be the case with any kill from a TSX. (BUT, I did also state that the TSX would not be MY first choice for close up bear hunting, and I LOVE that bullet). I also strongly disagree with the dismissive opinions on the partition. C'mon, it's still a great bullet! One thing it certainly has is PROVEN LONGEVITY! Who cares if it is old technology. Just my thoughts. Carry on. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns | |||
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A 130 gr. monolithic will out penetrate a 160 gr. conventional bullet any day. It will certainly shoot through a Bear sideways, Bear are not that big, but you need two holes because the hair sucks up blood and blood trails are sparse as a rule. I think you choice is fine, and if your comfortable with it then by all means use it. I am not a monolithic fan and would probably chose the 160 gr. Nosler or Northfork for myself, but thats just my choice. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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BTW, I was hunting back in the old days with those old bullets and bullet failure was common place. Read some of the old Magazines, Jack O'Connor et. al. and they constantly talked of bullet failure. I had all manner of bullet failures, and yes we normally killed our game, but lots of bullet problems existed back then. The Rem RNSP Corelokt was the bullet I liked best back then and it worked 99.9% of the time. Nosler also worked in the old days, but unlike todays Noslers it almost always blew off the front portion of the bullet regardless of the weight used. It will still do that ocassionally but it still kills well and if you don't like it blowing off the front portion of the bullet then just go to the next heavier weight and it won't do that... The advancement in bullets never ceases to amaze me, It says wonders for the bullet makers, we have come far pilgrims. And the 50s ain't the old days, that was only yesterday. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Being born in 1958, I'd like to argue that point!  | |||
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The Hornady SXT is an excellent bullet in every caliber I've tried it in. I loaded some 150s for a buddy in his .270WSM and it worked perfectly on his 350# hog he shot last summer and has worked great on several several deer for me. Walk softly and carry a big bore! | |||
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