I'm going to be range testing these soon but as far as I've seen they are both probubly the best products I've used on my guns.

Wipe out: Best gun cleaner period, I'll never go back to other cleaners period. I cleaned 3 guns with CR-10 until patches were white and the Wipe Out made my bore bleed blue and brown for a day and now they are literally "Squeeky" clean. Ohh, and its the easiest to apply, spray and wipe, DONE!

Final Finish: I had 3 factory barrels with small machining lines in the Grooves and the kit removed them and gave the bore a literal Mirror finish. You'll notice that patches move A LOT smoother down the barrel and cleaning is A LOT faster even with out the Wipe Out.

I'll give accuracy Data in few days.

I'm not familiar with wipe out. Can you get it at most sporting goods retailers?

I bought it through Midway over teh their website Midwayusa.com.

Most stores don't carry it, You have to order it but its worth it after you see what it does.

I have to agree on the wipe out. It was the first and now I've seen some copies. Works great.

Actually Forrest Bore Foam was the original. Wipe-out is an improvement, not the first out of the gate.

From what I understand, the "copies" are Forrest Bore Foam packaged for various companies. If it is made in Finland, it's Forrest bore foam. FWIW, Dutch.

Paul,you can get the Outers foaming cleaner at most Wal-Mart stores,i use Wipe-out and Outers, both work very good,and i can't tell the difference.

Does anyone know what in this stuff? Cr-10 is almost pure ammonia, and this stuff works better. Really amazing. I wonder if any studies have been done on long term exposure to it? If it melts copper, can it really be harmless??????

i tried some on a 17 barrel & all i got was foam all over hell and 2 drops down the barrel. What'd i do wrong?? or doesn't it work on smallbores

I have used a couple of cans of Wipe Out and I am not sold. Yes it gets lots of stuff but I can go back after Wipe Out with Sweets and always get more carbon and copper out of my bbls. Hate to disagree with you guys but Wipe Out just does not meet my standard for a clean barrel.

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Originally posted by butchloc:
i tried some on a 17 barrel & all i got was foam all over hell and 2 drops down the barrel. What'd i do wrong?? or doesn't it work on smallbores

I used some for the first time last weekend; I was cleaning a 270 wsm, a 375 H&H, and a 300 RUM. I had the same issue as you on the first two, but then I realized it does not take much foam to fill the barrel. I used one quick squirt on the 300 RUM and didn't have the mess I had with the other two.

I was very pleased with the results, Wipe Out is my new favorite product!

Ok guys,you need a good bore guide ,not the ones that look like a bolt.Should have a rubber gasket on the chamber end to seal off the foam,only takes a couple of short squirts to run out the barrel end.If you squirt from the muzzle end, put a fired case in the chamber and close the bolt on it,spent primer still in,squirt till it starts backing up on you,but best way is from chamber end.Don't know what to tell you about getting copper out with sweets afterwards,my experience has been the opposite.Maybe you aren't leaving it in long enough,as i usually leave mine in 8 hours or so,and you still need to brush with S/C or Butches to get carbon,and loose stuff out after the Wipe-out.Trust me,i had one of the worst copper fouling barrels,tried cr-10,sweets, bore tech eliminator,all left some copper,till i went to Wipe-out.Bore tech elimator is pretty darn good to get most out and shoot in a few minutes after cleaning,Butches gets most out,but need to let it work for a few hours.Haven't tried any of the Montana products,but hear they are pretty good.

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Originally posted by Neverflinch:
Does anyone know what in this stuff? Cr-10 is almost pure ammonia, and this stuff works better. Really amazing. I wonder if any studies have been done on long term exposure to it? If it melts copper, can it really be harmless??????

I've been researching bore cleaners for the last year or so with the intent of starting a company to make an improved cleaner. I learned that CR-10 is about 5% ammonia.

I'm amazed at how much ignorance is out there about cleaning bores. I'm also amazed at how antiquated the tools and proceedures.

I've been using WipeOut now for almost 2yrs and the Outers clone from Walmart for about a year, I've found that the foaming cleaners must settle in the bottom of the bore after a few hours and don't work as much on the upper half of the bore, so it makes it appear that the entire bore is still fouled. I started inverting the rifle a few hours after I foam the bore and it works excellent. If say, I clean the rifle in the afternoon, leave the bore cleaner in the bore over night, before I hit the sack that night, turn the rifle scope down, trigger up in the cleaning station, then leave it that way until the next morning. 99% of the time that's all that it takes for a squeaky clean bore with pure white patches coming out of the bore. Works for me!!

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Originally posted by butchloc:
i tried some on a 17 barrel & all i got was foam all over hell and 2 drops down the barrel. What'd i do wrong?? or doesn't it work on smallbores

I've used Wipe Out on 375 h&h, 338 Win Mag,30-06, and 223 Rem. I use a bore guide and apply from the breech end. Once foam starts to show in the bore guide port, I plug the breech end w/my fingers and force foam out the muzzle to be sure entire bore is coated. Surprisingly, have noticed a distinct, positive pressure on the .22 bore that is not apparent on the larger bores. There would probably be even more backpressure on a .17??

Regards,
hm

I am a big Wipe Out fan, using it on everything from .17HMR to 458 Lott for a couple of years. Yes, it can be be messy, especially it you're new to using it. BUT to me it is the best bore cleaning product I have used in 20+ years. Yes, you might need to reapply it again or even thrice in a really fouled bore. Big deal! Shoot the product into the bore and let IT work for a while. Patch out and see where you are. Let the Wipe Out do the work FOR you instead of many more minutes of brushing out with your old stuff. Give it a fair try out. I was skeptical but am now a Wipe Out convert.

John

I keep Wipe Out on hand and you may order from my secure products page from www.hunters-hq.com
Thanks!

wrongtarget: Took your advice and tried teh inverted barrel tactic and it worked great. Cut my Wipeout usage in exactly HALF. Thanks for a great tip! jorge

And don't forget wipe-out makes an accelerator that is used before the foam. I use shooters choice first to remove the powder fouling. Then the wipe-out accelerator and allow it to sit for fifteen or so minutes. Then the wipe-out foam overnite. Works for me.

When I use the wipe-out, I have a heavy duty straw that just fits the end of the wipe-out can nozzle. On the end that goes in the chamber I wrapped it in enough electrical tape to make a tight fit with the chamber neck. A single squirt and I am good to go. Then I use a home-made chamber plug to keep it from seeping back into the action. No fuss, no mess.

I use Wipe Out and love how it cleans.

The idea of turning the rifle over to clean the top half sounds like one I'll try.

BUT - do not let the Wipeout foam or resulting liquid sit for ANY time on your wood stock.

If you spray in the front be sure to carefully clean up the foam that comes out the chamber.
And the liquid will migrate everywhere [ as they do] if it is allowed to get out of the barrel.

Les

I drilled a straw sized hole thru the primer pocket of a case for each caliber I own so I can put a flexible drinking straw in thru the chamber end to apply the foam, the case keeps the foams from backing into the action. I put a short piece of neoprene fuel line on the end of the WipeOut nozzle to hold the straw on the nozzle.

Finished the shoot today. I'll have pictures up soon. All I can report for now is that there were no groups in any of the guns over 1.25 of an inch and the average was .78 of an inch.

The final finish kit is looking great so far!

mmmppfff
Wipe out is ok, but in my experience it isn't much better than regular cleaning solutions.

Load UPDATE,

In my Hunting rifle, a 300 win mag, I have successfully shot an extra grain over my original max load with no pressure signs. I wasn't able to do this before I used the Final Finish System and there was definate stickiness to the bolt and these 1+gr loads are showing zero pressure signs.

Pictures are coming, I promise.

Ok, now this is getting rediculous. I went out again and I'm 3 grains above my original max load with NO Pressure signs after using the Final Finish Kit.

If I could ever get ahold of my girl friend I'd show pics but she has them!

Magnum61, have you chronographed your new loads? As a few folks who post here sometimes have said, speed itself can be a sign of pressure.

I am a huge fan of the Final Finish system, and have some rigs that will shoot above max listed loads, without signs of pressure--including not having excessive speed.

Good Luck--Don

I'm trying to get ahold of a friend who has a Chronograph but no luck yet. For this load I wanted about 3150-3200 FPS with the 180gr. TSX out of my 300 win mag but I have no idea what it's doing now....

Ok, she got sticky at 79.5gr of RL22 with the 180gr, TSX. I'm stopping there and backing down. Hopefully they turn out to shoot after trying different bullet seating depths.

Completed:

.300 win mag
Rem 700 BDL SS 24" barrel
79gr. RL22
Fed 215M primer
Win case
180 gr. TSX .308

.040" and .050" seating depths grouped under a half inch at ~3110fps. Extreme spread was about 8fps.

As you can see the Final Finish system reduced the friction in the bore enough that I needed and extra 4 grains of powder to equal the velocity I was getting before. I will have to say that the accuracy is A LOT more consistant from load to load and even when there is continued fire though a hot barrel.

I really like both of the Products, Final Finish and Wipe out.

Hope that helps anyone that reads this. Feel free to ask any questions or PM me.

I have had similar results. Used the Final Finish on my .308, and the thing went from a horrible fouler to a breaze to clean.

I also used a bit of Fitz jewerly polish on the bore. 100 or so strokes, and the bore shines!

The Wipe Out (and Outer's brand) works great also. Haven't used it on my LAR15, but have been thinking of doing that.

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Originally posted by Magnum61:
Completed:

.300 win mag
Rem 700 BDL SS 24" barrel
79gr. RL22
Fed 215M primer
Win case
180 gr. TSX .308

.040" and .050" seating depths grouped under a half inch at ~3110fps. Extreme spread was about 8fps.

As you can see the Final Finish system reduced the friction in the bore enough that I needed and extra 4 grains of powder to equal the velocity I was getting before. I will have to say that the accuracy is A LOT more consistant from load to load and even when there is continued fire though a hot barrel.

I really like both of the Products, Final Finish and Wipe out.

Hope that helps anyone that reads this. Feel free to ask any questions or PM me.

Mag61,
Did you start the Final Finish with the courses bullets or did you start somewhere up the line?
Tubb told me, I have a very accurate rifle, that I should not use the courser bullets, but should start with #3.
I have not yet purchased the system, but I plan to do so prior to the opening of deer season. It just makes sense, the way it works. My only worry is fucking up my already accurate rifle, as in sub MOA 10 shot strings.
Please let me know how the others turn out and thanks for doing the testing and posting it on the forum. IS THIS PLACE GREAT OR WHAT!
Jack