I am passing this opportunity on on behalf of my father.

My Pa has a couple of breeding bulls that must be removed from his herd. Normally he would just kill them himself, get them turned into burger, sausage and jerky (for retail sale), and sell the hides and skull. Since it has become the norm in the industry of late to offer these animals "on the hoof" to those who may be interested in getting their winter's meat, and a beautiful hide and skull to boot, Dad thought I should mention the possibility here.

This would not be a hunt, just an opportunity to shoot your own meat and to get a very large buffalo hide and skull for a reasonable price. These are not free ranging animals, but they are not exactly tame either. The shooting would not be done in corral or pen, but out in the 640 acre fenced property where the buffalo roam. The shooting would have to be done with a bow, as my Dad does not want any "collateral damage" to his herd or to sensitize the herd to gun shots.

One of the bulls is 9 years old, about 2200 lbs on the hoof, and roughly 6' 6" tall at the shoulder.

Here is a picture of it, from 2 years ago...



The other available bull is about 7 years old and approx. 1900 lbs on the hoof.

This opportunity will probably not be that appealing to anyone that would have to travel a long distance, but if anyone is interested, you can send me an e-mail. The price is negotiable as my Dad is not looking to make a fortune off of this, he just wants to give someone the chance to get about 1000 lbs of meat, a huge buffalo hide and a big skull, and save himself the hassle of dealing with a very large carcass.

My e-mail addy is staggerino@hotmail.com if anyone is interested.

If not, I'll probably just end up doing it myself.

Canuck

[ 12-23-2002, 00:32: Message edited by: Canuck ]

Check your PMs.

Russ

Hi Canuck,
You've got mail. I've got arrows and friends with big appetites. Chetwyn is a day away and with any luck a guy could ski Powder King on the way home unless you want to drink beer.
Take care,
470 Mbogo

[ 12-23-2002, 04:14: Message edited by: 470 Mbogo ]

470,

I've got the video camera and rum. See you there!

Canuck

A bison rancher up here in the cariboo region of b.c was offering one and a half year olds for 1.50 lbs on the hoof and you would save the 150$ slaughter fee if you killed yourself. People were showing up with there rifles and shooting them in the head and taking them home. The game wardens heard about this and the came down on him like a ton of bricks. In this province they consider that a paid for hunt and we don't allow canned hunts. He got fined and now you have to kill it with something other than a bow or riffle. There is no law against whacking it with a sledge hammer like alot of people do with cattle.

Interesting, boilerroom. Hadn't heard about that incident. I will have to check with the local CO's for their interpretation. I could understand if it was sold as a "hunt", but who really cares who actually kills it or how it gets killed, if the guy is buying the meat and not a hunt.

So I wonder if they consider it poaching if my Dad uses his own rifle to kill one of his own bison?!? Bison ranchers have to do that all the bloody time.

My Dad is going to have to shoot this particular big bull anyway as he would be very difficult to capture and transport and would likely injure other buffalo at the same time. Normally he would enlist help to do so. I personally can't see where the crime would be in then selling the meat/hide/horns to the person that helped him.

I also think it a good thing when someone is prepared to take responsiblity for the death of that which feeds him and his family. Funny that some laws would have it that someone must do your killing for you.

Do you know the specific regulation against "canned" hunts? I'd like to do some research before asking anyone.

Thanks for the heads up,

Canuck

You can kill it anyway you want as long as youre not charging a fee. People are still buying his bison but he's pulling the trigger and charging 150$.
Call the co's in 100 mile house and ask Darcy or Collin what the deal is. It all sounds silly to me also.

Thanks for the contact names, boilerroom.

Here's another angle. My Dad has a couple of my buffalo in his field. Another friend of his owns twelve. They run with my Dad's herd and we just pay "rent" to my Dad for feeding them and watching over them. I guess it would be OK for me or the other guy to shoot any of the buffalo we own, right? So what if you give me $1000 for one of my buffalo, and I write you a reciept for it. Then, instead of transporting it to a slaughterhouse, you decide to shoot it yourself and haul it to a butcher. Would that be illegal?

Thanks again, and Merry Christmas,
Canuck

[ 12-26-2002, 02:17: Message edited by: Canuck ]

It sounds good to me. Let me know what the co's say and I'll pass it on to the ranchers down on green lake.
Merry x-mas.

Cannuck, sure I am interested, but can't get their before the spring thaw. I got a bow, rifle, or sling shot....makes no difference to me. The last one I killed with a Bowie Knife LOL.
HOW much money we talking about?

Will do, boilerroom. Thanks again.

Canuck

Have your Dad write out a bill of sale for 1 bison (Live).

Once it belongs to the shooter, he can do anything he wants with it and be legal.

This is considered livestock after all.

Bison,deer,elk ect.. are considered game. You actually have to buy a licence to have a domestic game farm. They are not classified as livestock like cattle and horses. You may be right about buying it then killing it but my suspicions are that you may need a licence just like the bison ranchers do before you can own the beast alive and kicking.

First let me say it sure is good to hear someone tell the truth about a hunt. The only way to be is honest.We try to do the same with our hunters.
As I read the replies it make me feel very lucky to be in Texas with our game laws. We have alot of buffalo and all that is needed is a hunting license. Hunters support the clubs that fight for our rights to hunt and to keep and bear arms. I hope you can get this worked out that is a beautful bull.

Thanks Bighorn.

Just returned from a week at my Dad's place. Apparently my Dad has heard about a couple of cases like this that were thrown out of court. As long as you are selling the animal and not a hunt, its legal.

Here's a more recent picture of one of my Dad's bulls. This one is his second biggest bull which is quite tame. Dad calls him Buddy. The picture was taken in August this year...



Canuck

Try it with 22Lr CCI stinger!



Johan

Any game warden will look at your openning post and see that there is a hunt being sold here. It should read "would anyone be interested in a slaughtered bison?".
What I don't understand about the case here in the cariboo is that the animal was being sold by the pound. Who ever heard about a hunt being sold by the pound? Still the co's would't have any of it.
I would still check into this deal with the co's before your father gets stung possibly.

I've got a friend here that may be interested. He's the guy who did the horseback archery exhibition at Ft. Steele this past summer if you caught it on TV. He wants to run one the old fashioned way. Is the shoot still available? I don't know as how he wants a trophy bull, just a good eater, and the experience.

boilerroom, we will definately double check with MWALP before actually doing anything.

FWIW, I certainly did not mean to imply in my first post that this will be a hunt of any kind, by any stretch of the imagination. I thought I was pretty clear, but if not, this is the bottom line:

My Dad has a couple breeding bulls that have to be removed from his herd. They are big and bad, and would be very difficult to separate from the herd and get onto a stock trailer (and would probably destroy that if he got them in it). If he kills them on site himself, he can't sell the meat commercially (they have to be slaughtered at a facility and properly inspected). And he can't use 1000 lbs of meat for himself. So he is selling the animals whole, so someone can have a lot of burger/sausage, a big skull and horns and a beautiful hide. That's it.

The reason they won't be shot in a corral or pen is because my Dad does not want the rest of the herd to associate people with death. He has a very docile herd, which, other than the breeding bulls and a few of the older cows from other operations, are very tolerant of his presence. This makes life much easier for him when it comes time for round up, and for administering shots, etc. He does not want to jeopardize this, hence the need to separate the bulls from the rest of the herd to do the killing. They themselves are not readily approachable, hence, the difficulty of killing one with a bow. But this is not to be confused with hunting! You can see most of the property from one vantage point. There is no where for the bison to hide. This will be killing, pure and simple.

Hope that helps clarify things for anyone that might think that this is in anyway a hunt.

Cheers,
Canuck