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You really can't go wrong either way. The velocity gain by the 180 gr bullet is offset by energy, momentum and downrange preformance. I just compared Federal loads for the 180 gr and 200 gr partition bullet in 300 Win Mag. Muzzle velocity 2930fps vs 2960fps. Muzzle energy 3813ft-lb for 200gr vs 3503ft-lb for 180 gr. 500 Yard velocity 2053fps for 200 gr vs 1999fps for 180 gr. 500 yard energy 1873ft-lb for 200 gr and 1597ft-lb for 180 gr. Sighted at 200 yards 200 gr -40.02 vs 180 gr -40.63. When you put all the numbers together there is no real winner. The choice is up to you. Good Hunting ------------------ | |||
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| <Thunderstick> |
Do the 200 grainers offer any significant terminal advantages over the 180s? | ||
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I've only used the 180 gr which worked perfectly. The 200 gr should work the same with greater penetration. The 200 gr has about a 10% edge in momentum. There should be others that have used both. Good Hunting | |||
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| <MFH> |
You might even try the Barnes 180XLCBT. It has a great BC-.552 and in my T/C a M.V. of over 3100fps.at below max listed. MFH | ||
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| <phurley> |
Real Easy -- On deer use the 180 gr, on Elk the 200 gr. bullets. You just might need the added weight and penetration on the larger animals. Good Shooting. ------------------ | ||
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| <Pumba> |
Thunderstick, I would like to suggest that you consider the 200 grain Nosler Partition or Swift A-Frame if you are going to hunt elk. I use the following components: - 200 grain Nosler Partition or Swift A-Frame Good Hunting ! | ||
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quote: I am handloading for a new Weatherby ULW .300 WinMag and having a helluva hard time finding a sub-MOA load. My usual bullets, the Sierra 200 SBT and Nosler 200 Partitions shoot like crap in this rifle, with both IMR4350 and RL-22. I tried the old favorite Hornady 180 BTSP and finally got a sub-MOA load with RL-22, but at only 3060 fps. What load are you using and what is the accuracy like? | |||
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I used the 180's for years, then one year I tried the 200's...I have seldom used 180's since that year some 20 years past.... The 200 gr. Nosler is the most devastating killer on animals up to and including elk that I have ever seen, short of the 210 338...and it may just be equal to the 210 338..Maybe! ------------------ | |||
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I've carried a 300mag a lot of miles in various regions, used all of the bullets in question on a large amount/variety of game. If you're going to use partitions, use the 200gr if you want just one load for everything. They open up quite nicely on small, deer sized game and really penetrate on the big ones. The average 300Win mag will achieve 2850fps with them and that will make a pretty flat shooting load. That said, I use more 180gr Fail Safes these days, prefering less expansion and more penetration. | |||
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KuduKing, Try H-1000 or IMR 7828 with the 200 grain or 180 grain bullets in the 300 Win Mag. I get the best accuracy with H-1000 in mine. Good luck. Tim | |||
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| <Old Timer> |
Thunderstick, I am agreeing with Ray, I too have used the 200 Gr. Nosler part for a long time back when they used a brass mixture and loaded them with H4831 and my load was75.5 which is way over the book , please be careful and start low at least 10 % I am now loading some new loads with R22 and am not finshed yet. God Bless, be careful Old Timer | ||
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| <Thunderstick> |
Kudu King, I use the 75 grains of RL22, F-215 primer, and the Winchester case with the Nosler Partition. The Hornady (flat base)shoots better at 74 grains, with all other components being the same. I put these loads on paper at 575 yards (longest field on the farm with backstop) and both loads stayed under 5 1/2" for three shots. At 100 yards they will shoot at or under 3/4 MOA. Some 300s do not give you adequate magazine length to get close to the lands for good accuracy, however this is not a problem in my model 700. I have been contemplating the 200 grain Speer and Partition as a premium and standard combo. On deer-caribou sized game that 180 Hornady is absolutely devastating without causing undue meat damage. The responses are interesting as I supposed some may have strong opinions for the 200 over the 180. | ||
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| <Wildcat> |
theres a nice .300 Win at our house in browning a bolt stainless stalker and we shoot it alot. 180 gr. works good all around, ours has been used on caribou at 250 yds. and they drop. however almost everywhere we find that people say that the 200gr. is a more accurate weight for this caliber and giving that we haven't been able to work up a real good load yet at my house for it we've reason to believe this vould be true - experiment with it. ------------------ | ||
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| <jim owens> |
KuduKing; Why don't you try a different style of bullet. My 300 Win doesn't like Boat Tail bullets. The best I can get with them is a 1 1/2 inch group. I switched to sptizers and the group dropped to 5/8th inch. Something to try. jim quote: | ||
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| <allen day> |
I almost always use premium 180 gr. bullets in the .300 Winchester, and I've never felt the need for 200 gr. bullets. Out of something like 100 big game animals taken with this caliber, ranging in size from dik dik to Patterson's eland, I've always gotten plenty of penetration with 180's. For example, I shot a very large, old, Cape eland through the lungs this season with a 180 gr. Nosler Partition Protected Point, and I found the bullet right under the hide on the opposite side. That is typical performance, and I'm not exactly sure what would have been improved upon by using heavier bullets. If you're getting somewhere between 3050 and 3100 fps. with any 180 gr. load, you're pushing this cartridge fast enough to handle just about anything. My current .300 Winchester shoots several powder/bullet/primer combos with amazing accuracy, and five-shot groups of well under a half-inch are not unusual. I've had good luck with many powders, but Reloader 22, H4831SC, and IMR4831 are real favorites of mine. Winchester's new, imported WXR extruded powder is another real winner in the .300 Winchester, and I'd highly recommend that you give it a try. AD | ||
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| <lenny> |
After considering published ballistics, I decided to use 200 gr. Sierra BTSP. Using a Browning BAR MKII w/BOSS, settled on a load of 71 gr. RL-22 which is most likely on the mild side. I'll take the retained energy of the 200 grainers any day given the similarity in bullet drop. Have only shot a fairly large black bear so far, but he didn't go ten feet. 150 yard lung shot, and bullet is still on it's way to China! | ||
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I also like 200gr Partitions in my 300 Win Mag. I was working up some 416 Taylor loads last week, and had my chronograph set up, so I ran my favorite 300WM load through it again. Using 200gr Partitions, 78.0grs of RL-25, R-P brass, and Fed 215's, I got these readings... 3122 The second 3102 reading was probably a chrony screw up, same with the high 3172. It's a cheap chrongraph. Oh yeah, rifle's a Browning A-Bolt Stainless Stalker, 26" barrel, no BOSS, using a 375H&H magazine to allow me to seat the bullets much longer than normal. ------------------ | |||
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Allan D, I certainly agree that there are no flys on the 180 Noslers and I never felt any reason to change to the 200 gr. Nosler, I just did on a trip to Africa because I play that game. I will never go back to the 180 as I feel I see a lot more one shot drops with the 200 on everything I've shot with it out of my 300 H&H which handles the 200 gr. better than most 30 cal. magnums..I do believe that is because it opens up bigger as there is more in front of the partition and it penitrates a litte less, but with Noslers a little less mean nothing..as they will shoot through a mile of Eland, in any weight. The 180 tend to blow the nose off from time to time and the 200's do not...I'm not sure thats worth mentioning as when a Nosler blows the nose off it kills well and the base goes out the other side, it works just fine that way.. You ought to give them a try on your next trip, for what its worth. ------------------ | |||
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Jim: After some additional load testing, I found my Weatherby doesn't shoot boattails of any sort as well as flatbase bullets. The Speer 200 grain Spitzer shoots very well now with IMR-4350 powder. Muzzle velocity is 2950 fps. Two other Weatherbys I own in different calibres prefer flatbase bullets also. Maybe this is a Weatherby quirk? lenny: | |||
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| <Pumba> |
BW, What type of chronograph do you own?
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| <Thunderstick> |
Has anyone ever used the 200 grain Speer Hot Cor? and with what results? | ||
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I have used the 200 gr Hot Core and found it to be a bit "soft" at 300 Win speeds. Maybe at 30-06 2600 fps, it might work better. | |||
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| <Thunderstick> |
Terry, What kind of game did you find the Speer too soft for? Any details would be appreciated. Apparently they should open up fine on lighter game. p.s. Anyone else have any experiences with the 200 grain Speer? | ||
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