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Can't wait.  Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | ||
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Looking good Russ! Good luck and don't forget to post your results... Jim  "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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What do you guys call those little mule deer you have down there? Is it burro deer? Penninsular Mule deer? I can't remember your term for them. That first buck is a really great deer. Lots of mass. | |||
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Black-tailed deer. They are a sub-species of the mule deer and are found along the Pacific Coast. Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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Years ago when I lived in Los Angeles, before the F&G concocted a regulation that a hunter could only hunt deer in a specified zone, we could hunt both the early or coastal season, and the late or inland season, taking two bucks, if we were lucky, one in each zone. The early or coastal season always opened on the first Saturday of August, when it was as hot as a cowboy's pistol on the Fourth Of July. One time during the early season, I shot a nice buck up in the Los Padres N.F., and it was hot as usual. As I dressed -- or tried to dress -- that buck, the yellowjackets came out in force and Kamikazied me. I've never had so many stings in my life. Eventually, those yellowjackets got more meat than I did. That was the last time I hunted the "early" season. I decided I much preferred the colder weather during the inland season in the Sierra. Didn't have to worry about the stinging critters.  L.W. "A 9mm bullet may expand but a .45 bullet sure ain't gonna shrink." | |||
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To me they look nothing like the blacktails we had in Washington state. And more like the little non-descript mule deer we had near Lemoore, CA. When I worked on the base there 18 years ago, I hunted them rather unsuccesfully on Fort Hunter Liggett, and saw them around Colinga and the big lakes near the Sequioias. According to your Game and Fish Website Deer in the Southern half of Monterrey and almost all of San Luis Countey would be California Mule Deer. http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife...r/docs/deerguide.pdf  | |||
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With no disrespect to the CA DFG, they also recognize the Inyo mule deer and the Southern Mule Deer as well as the CA Mule Deer. As far as I know these "sub species" are not recognized by any other scientific community. The CA DFG's labels are just away for them to recognize that deer in certain areas of the state tend to have a distinct look. But to say that they are different deer is the equivalent of saying that since many people from Northern Europe have similar external characteristics and many people from Southern Europe have similar external characteristics and the two groups external characteristics are different that they are a separate "subspecies or carry a distinct name. There is nothing more to it than they simply look different. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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A friend of mine is a biologist at a university close by, he tells me that DNA research has shown that Blacktails are not a sub-species of mule deer an that in fact Mule deer are a cross between Blacktail and Whitetail deer. Regardless, the little buggers are fun to hunt. | |||
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Here ya' go guys, some light reading for you.... There are maps included in the PDF doc that sow the range of the 5 genetic groupings of CA deer. Landscape genetics of California mule deer (Odocoileus hemionus): the roles of ecological and historical factors in generating differentiation. Pease KM, Freedman AH, Pollinger JP, McCormack JE, Buermann W, Rodzen J, Banks J, Meredith E, Bleich VC, Schaefer RJ, Jones K, Wayne RK. Source Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, University of California, Los Angeles, CA 90095, USA. Abstract Landscape genetics is an emerging discipline that utilizes environmental and historical data to understand geographic patterns of genetic diversity. Niche modelling has added a new dimension to such efforts by allowing species-environmental associations to be projected into the past so that hypotheses about historical vicariance can be generated and tested independently with genetic data. However, previous approaches have primarily utilized DNA sequence data to test inferences about historical isolation and may have missed very recent episodes of environmentally mediated divergence. We type 15 microsatellite loci in California mule deer and identify five genetic groupings through a Structure analysis that are also well predicted by environmental data. We project the niches of these five deer ecotypes to the last glacial maximum (LGM) and show they overlap to a much greater extent than today, suggesting that vicariance associated with the LGM cannot explain the present-day genetic patterns. Further, we analyse mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) sequence trees to search for evidence of historical vicariance and find only two well-supported clades. A coalescence-based analysis of mtDNA data shows that the genetic divergence of the mule deer genetic clusters in California is recent and appears to be mediated by ecological factors. The importance of environmental factors in explaining the genetic diversity of California mule deer is unexpected given that they are highly mobile species and have a broad habitat distribution. Geographic differences in the timing of reproduction and peak vegetation as well as habitat choice reflecting natal origin may explain the persistence of genetic subdivision. | |||
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I was invited to hunt some private land up above Point Arenas next month but since I'm getting my knee replaced on Wednesday, I'm going to miss the season. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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We'll be out there even if the weather is 100 degrees. Its the opener of blacktail and we're proud to chase these smart little deer. No food plots, no rut activity, just deer hunting! Zinfandel and venison are GOOD! | |||
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I'd read that last fall but had forgotten; thanks for the reminder... Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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I think R-W lists the blacktail down to Monterey Bay and they call the ones south of that mule deer. The deer down here have more grey on their faces and a more distinct throat patch than the blacktail that I grew up with near Santa Cruz but as Mike said, that could be just a local trait. These certainly don't get any bigger than the blacktail farther north and the horn size is about the same. In the picture in my original post the one on the left is an average buck, the one on the right is above average. There are a few 3 pointers running around and I have only seen one 4 pointer. They generally run about 115-135 lbs and they sure taste good.  Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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My brother and I used to hunt some public land in Mendocino County. One year he shot a small buck down at the bottom of a draw at about 9:00 AM early in the season. I damn near died (quite literally) of heat stroke carrying the rifles up while he carried the deer. (They really are that small.) Long story, but when we were finally a hundred feet from the top of the ridge I almost stepped on a rattler in the dark. We found out later that it had topped 100 that day. Good luck to all of you hunting this weekend!! | |||
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Back when, when I lived in Ca. we had some land below Kings Canyon. We would see small deer that we assumed were blacktails but occasionally we would run across a very large deer that looked like a typical mule deer. I think I still have the horns of one of each hanging in the garage. BTW the temps during the 1st part of the inland season could go well above 100F. The ticks were a real problem. C.G.B. | |||
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Supposed to be about 104 tomorrow for the opener of A zone. Will probably skip it for the first time I can remember. | |||
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I'll be out before daylight to see what is moving. Then about sundown. It's been scorching here. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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I better seem some pics posted tomorrow afternoon here... Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Just went for a little walk and saw two little bucks and a doe. I will go out tomorrow morning and see what is out and about. | |||
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