Chuckwagon I have been following this thread and I am not going to post my feelings on so called "pro" hunters, but power to them cause no way I wouldn't wanna be making my living hunting all year round. My problem is your immature and rude comments about canadians, believe me it is not the fellow posters on here that are the ones that allowed the liberals to pass the bill, we dont need preaching to, thank you very much. And in my opinion yiur views on trophy hunting are totally beyond me, I hunt trophy deer because it brings another element of challenge into my passion, as im sure chuck would agree, in most parts of Alberta shooting a doe or a small buck for that matter is not a huge challange if any amount of time is put in. The larger bucks are more often harder to find and require more skill to hunt, although luck plays its large roll. Please tell me whats wrong with that.

Chris

ChuckWagon, Some of us caught that last post, before it was deleted. You're quite a piece of work, and nothing more than a simple Troll.



Chuck

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If any of you ever meet Chuck Adams, ask him how he feels about the book "The Short Happy Life of Francis McComber".



I think most of the folks who don't like Chuck are just plain tired of his "arms reach with a wide-angle camera" photos that he uses in his article deliberately trying to make the animals look larger... or the fact that he will use the same animal's photos with different camo on, and I could go on... but buy me a drink sometime and I'll vent my spleen about my personal experiences with the guy.



No one has to make up any stories about Chuck, or his brother in ethics, John Kerry. Both have done some "manly" things, but both very selectively choose a pattern of self promotion that dances upon the edge of credibility and truth. If the gentlemen would just honestly relate the things they have accomplished, there would be no need for embellisment and self righteousness.



I have little doubt that Chuck has taken "world records" under fair chase standards. I also have no doubt that he has screwed up some wonderful animals by shooting further than anyone should, driven by the need to succeed and promote.



Hunting, motivated by money and self-promotion is, somehow, at least to me, cheapened. To me, it is about a close communication with my God and his nature, not a place to stick my arms out as far as possible and try to prove that mine's bigger than yours... I realize that camo, binocs, bows, have to be marketed. But knowing the guy... I wouldn't hire him to be my spokesman. I don't buy products Chuck endorses, and have told the various companies/magazines why. But that's just my personal choice. '



You can go to the archives of Leatherwall over at www.bowsite.com

Lots of folks who have had professional and hunting relationships with Chuck have posted there about him. I assure you that it's not all jealousy.

I consider this to be both an appropriate comment on the Chuck Adams style of hunting and the most courteous post on this issue.

"Chuckwagon" why don't you come to the Calgary Stampede or come to a logger's bar here in B.C. and make your offensive comments about we Canadians? I can assure you that your attitude would undergo an immediate and drastic adjustment.

Fortunately, our good friends and brothers in the "good ol' USA are usually known for their friendliness and good manners, an attribute of your countrymen I suggest you learn to emulate.

Actually I've been to the Stampede. I have a lot of Canadian friends and their skin is much thicker than yours. Now you guys keep trying to twist some tale that I am slamming Canada yet you can not seem to put up one quote by me from this strand where I posted something that was not true about Canada. Sometimes the truth just hurts. You betcha eh ?

Thankyou for your courtesy; it is what I have generally found typical of Americans, which is why I am pro-American!

Chuckwagon, quit trying to be a dork, you have some valuable contributions to make and I agree with a fair amount of your input, but, calling us "socialists" is TOO much!

"I don't buy products Chuck endorses, and have told the various companies/magazines why."

I do use easton 3315 because I always have. I use Muzzy 125s and if he used them I would still use them. I'm not sure what bow he uses now but if he used the one(s) I use I would not throw them away. He hunts with a bow and does well. I find that something worth noting.
He is a hunter and nice fellow to boot unlike some people I've met in the feild as well as online.

DOA

It wasn't me who made that statement, I have not the slightest interest in who uses what bow, etc. as I don't bowhunt. I simply found JudgeG's post to be a well stated critique of the person-situation, a relief from the mis-spelled and inane remarks of some other posters.

Does Canada not have socialized medicine ? My bad. YOU CAUGHT ME IN A TYPO

I see your point, but it should be: misspelled.

I think there are a lot of people, millions in fact that would disagree with you. You can clean it up, or slice it any way you like but from my view a country that uses socialized services in a socialist society. That IMO is not at all how our medical services function. But what do I know. I think you might point me to the Canadian CDC or FDA to make comparisons...ooops, they don't have those services in Canada. If we elect old num nuts Kerry, you may indeed be right. We will become a bunch of socialists who loose a lot of our freedoms. Not the least of which might well be our right to keep and bear arms. Apathy is a real bitch. The cold hard fact is that not enough Canadians were active in speaking up for their gun rights abnd they lost a lot of their freedoms in that regard. This is relavant to this strand, as the subject arose in the context of a question. Which was "why do I feel strictly hunting for trophy's and publicity" fuels the antis and draws unwanted attention to our sport. The simple fact of the matter is that the liberal leeches suck on to people like Chuck Adams and his constant quest for the Holy Grail of hunting and use him to play pin the tail on the donkey with our sport. Like it or not those are the facts. The real challenge we face as sportsmen and gun owners IMO is not the anti's or the hunters themselves but rather the vast majority of middle America that neither hunts or owns a gun. We need to win those people over to our cause. This sort of attention allienates many of those voters. Now if you still think Canada has a better health system You might try going over and getting a cat scan. We treat a great number of Canadians in our system and they sure aren't driving here because our costs are lower.

After reading the replies to this subject I'm really surprised about the amount of BS said about this topic.Who cares if he did shoot a new world record and that he gets to hunt year around.I go west every year without a guide, hunt on public land, enjoy the friends that share the hunt with me.(even If they hunt with a bow)At home I hunt every day I can and include my kids and any other kids that don't have fathers to take them. It's about the hunt!!! If you don't want to hear about Chuck Adams don't read about him. You pay for his hunting. I personally admire him for the fact he followed his dream and can hunt in places that I can only dream of. Records in hunting should be personal.(I need a 11pt. to have 1-12.)If he can look in the mirror after writing about this in future mag.s then so be it. If he's cheating it will come out.The only record book you'll see at my house is a photo album while we're sitting down to eat backstrap.
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when there's lead in the air there's hope!!!

And where does Chuck Adams stand on Canada's national health care system, pro or con?

Pay attention old boy. He's PRO of course !

ChuckWagon,
Do you EVER GET TIRED OF BEING WRONG????? You are so damn good at it.

I have followed this thread with interest. I have not ever met Chuck Adams. Perhaps I once idolized him, being a bowhunter myself. Then I started to hear "murmurings" from various guide friends in Arizona concerning his world record Coues deer from the San Carlos reservation. I no longer have any respect for Mr Adams and tend not to buy any products that he endorses. It is my opinion and that of several others more knowledgeable about the circumstances) that with enough money and guides to find you record book animals, ANYONE can accomplish killing a new world record. All you need is a helicopter and a bunch of guides to find an animal, drop in to the area, and kill it!!! Just ask George Taulman about that, he could probably tell you.I'm not neccesarily saying that's what Mr Adams did, but I guaranty that animal was found by others who Chuck paid. Just my 2cents worth.

bowhuntr

Well I guess its always easy to show up late and kick the guy that's down. You dont really state a case or view point other than I am wrong. I do apprecaiate the humor in your constructive sarcasm though.

Bowhuntrrl:



Chuck once heard of a great desert ram that had been sighted on land controlled by a particular guide. The next hunter booked there(Paul Shaefer, God bless his departed soul) happened to be a bowhunter of unquestioned ability (using traditonal equipment he made, at that) and who had taken the other three North Americansheep before Chucky had. Chuck was booked after him.



Chuck's ego got the best of him. Chuck knew the Paul well; that he was a hunter without peer; was in perfect shape and was probably going to get the sheep if given half a chance.



Even though Paul was supposed to be a friend, Chuck contacted the guide and offered big bucks to induce him to "bump" Paul from the hunt so no one could claim the slam or get the ram but the green-capped smiley face.



Paul was the best athlete I've ever seen. He was tough as a junk yard dog and could re-arrange a smiley face while blindfolded with his hands tied behind him. Chuck is lucky Paul was killed in a skiing accident before Paul had a chance to do so... But on second thought, Paul was a gentleman and wouldn't have wasted his time.