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Wolves Killing Colorado Livestock Even Before Formal Reintroduction

Maggie Hudlow
Dec 22, 2021

On the morning of Dec. 19, a rancher in Jackson County, Colorado, found a dead domestic calf surrounded by very large dog tracks. The Colorado Parks and Wildlife Department responded and conducted a field investigation, including a necropsy on the carcass to look for evidence of attack wounds.

“The results of this investigation indicated wolf tracks in the immediate vicinity of the carcass and wounds on the calf consistent with wolf depredation,” CPW Area Wildlife Manager Kris Middledorf said in a press release. This is the first such instance in the modern era, happening in advance of a plan to “reintroduce” wolves to the state.

In November of 2020, Colorado voters passed the ballot initiative Proposition 114, which requires the CPW Commission to create and carry out a plan to reintroduce and manage gray wolves by the end of 2023. The measure ensures that the commission will distribute state funds for "fair compensation to owners of livestock for any losses of livestock caused by gray wolves."

Because the state has yet to decide how to handle livestock depredation by wolves, this calf will be processed as if a bear or mountain lion killed it.

“CPW is working on draft regulations for the commission’s consideration on hazing for these naturally migrating wolves in the state.” CPW Director Dan Prenzlow said. “Our goal is to provide producers with resources to minimize the likelihood of conflict or depredation as we work to create a statewide wolf restoration and management program as directed under Proposition 114.”

This past spring, Colorado became host to a litter of wolf pups—the first seen in the Centennial State since the 1940s. Not coincidentally, these pups were spotted near a den located in Jackson County.

Jackson County abuts the Wyoming border in north-central Colorado and is one of many rural counties that opposed the ballot measure. While the densely populated front range urban area is responsible for the majority of votes in favor of the proposition, the reintroduction will more significantly impact rural regions with high populations of livestock and elk.

How CO Voted on Prop 114
Map via KDVR depicting how Colorado voted for Prop 114 by county.



CPW is still in the public engagement process of establishing how and where to release wolves by holding frequent public meetings and utilizing both a technical working group and a stakeholder advisory group.

MeatEater's own Brody Henderson has previously reported on the natural incursion of gray wolves into Colorado.

"Here we are a couple years later with the first wolf predation of domesticated livestock in the state in 70 years," Henderson said. "Keep in mind, these wolves moved into Colorado and set up shop all on their own. At this point, what’s the point of wasting time, money, and resources reintroducing more gray wolves when CPW is going to have their hands full managing the wolves that are already there?"


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Yes, they are like feral hogs. They will come without any help.
 
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I see wolves as a sign of the times. We once had a govt that wanted them gone, so they were sent packing.

Just like a lot of things though, nowadays govt want things back that are not so good. Wolves, grizzlies and perhaps lions qualify as such in the lower 48 but only because of radical, overreaching and ridiculous protections thought of by people insulated from danger that live in comfy cities.


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They were planted in CO long before they said they were going to be introduced. They like to play the deny game as long as they can until the number of sightings or in this case loss of livestock forces them to admit the presence of the Wolves.
 
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If they're looking for release sites, they should release them into every precinct that voted in favor of the releases.


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The stupid never ends these days.


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North Park has one of the largest populations of moose in Colorado.
Say hello wolves good bye moose.
Same thing happened to the moose in WY & MT.
 
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that's real close to the migration corridor the Wyoming antelope use year to year. [you know from near Yellowstone on down to the Colorado/Utah border]

it's [I'm sure] also a coincidence the antelope numbers crashed last year.
 
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Well if we reintroduced grizzlies in Colorado it would keep the wolf numbers down.


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Well if we reintroduced grizzlies in Colorado it would keep the wolf numbers down.


I have never seen any evidence that grizzlies regularly prey on wolves. Or wolves prey on grizzlies regularly.

They compete with each other and steal from each other.

They well kill each other given a chance.

It doesn't seem like they prey on each other regularly
 
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Well if we reintroduced grizzlies in Colorado it would keep the wolf numbers down.


I have never seen any evidence that grizzlies regularly prey on wolves. Or wolves prey on grizzlies regularly.


They compete with each other and steal from each other.

They well kill each other given a chance.


It doesn't seem like they prey on each other regularly




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I see wolves as a sign of the times. We once had a govt that wanted them gone, so they were sent packing.

Just like a lot of things though, nowadays govt want things back that are not so good. Wolves, grizzlies and perhaps lions qualify as such in the lower 48 but only because of radical, overreaching and ridiculous protections thought of by people insulated from danger that live in comfy cities.


See the anarchy unfold in NYC as the all-black mayor, DA, AG and NYPD chief watch from safety in their highrises with full security detail. If you didn't see it....the new DA has declared that armed robbery if no one is injured is now a misdemeanor. The animals will run wild and no business will be safe.


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Well if we reintroduced grizzlies in Colorado it would keep the wolf numbers down.


I have never seen any evidence that grizzlies regularly prey on wolves. Or wolves prey on grizzlies regularly.


They compete with each other and steal from each other.

They well kill each other given a chance.


It doesn't seem like they prey on each other regularly




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Yes quote from chuck in 2014 about reintroduction of G bears into CO.

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I think it would be awesome. Sure it would add a bit more edge to camping, but we have them in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming very few incidents have occurred in the last 10 years.. Maybe we could hunt them again in the Rocky Mountains some day. I seem to remember grizzly hunting stopped around 1972 or so in Montana.

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Well your response surely indicates your level of intelligence. Why is ok to have grizzlies in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho but not Colorado. There's plenty of elk and deer in those states, grizzly attacks against humans are rare. Are the residents of those states just braver or are they morons too? Or would you prefer we eradicate the grizzlies in those states as well? My hope is that they would be introduced in the wilderness areas, at some point reaching a population where we could draw and hunt them, but in the meantime enjoy them as the magnificent creatures they truly are.

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Well if we reintroduced grizzlies in Colorado it would keep the wolf numbers down.


I have never seen any evidence that grizzlies regularly prey on wolves. Or wolves prey on grizzlies regularly.


They compete with each other and steal from each other.

They well kill each other given a chance.


It doesn't seem like they prey on each other regularly




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Same area, more cows attacked. One had to be euthanized.

But now they are going to allow the ranchers to use rubber bullets to 'haze' the wolves that are attacking their cattle.

Yeah, Right

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Rubber bullets?

LOL.


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And now the goofies of the Front Range (Denver & Boulder) are introducing legislation banning the trapping/hunting of bobcats and mountain lions. They banned leg hold traps awhile back so I have no idea what kind of 'trapping' they are talking about. There is no shortage of mountain lions in the state.
 
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And now the goofies of the Front Range (Denver & Boulder) are introducing legislation banning the trapping/hunting of bobcats and mountain lions. They banned leg hold traps awhile back so I have no idea what kind of 'trapping' they are talking about. There is no shortage of mountain lions in the state.


City folks have no clue they just want to protect every thing.
 
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And now the goofies of the Front Range (Denver & Boulder) are introducing legislation banning the trapping/hunting of bobcats and mountain lions. They banned leg hold traps awhile back so I have no idea what kind of 'trapping' they are talking about. There is no shortage of mountain lions in the state.


City folks have no clue they just want to protect every thing.


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For Immediate Release, July 18, 2022

Contact:

Lindsay Larris, WildEarth Guardians, (720) 334-7636, llarris@wildearthguardians.org
Dillon Hanson-Ahumada, Endangered Species Coalition, (402) 507-8222, dhanson@endangered.org
Andrea Zaccardi, Center for Biological Diversity, (303) 854-7748, azaccardi@biologicaldiversity.org
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Conservationists, Wildlife Advocates Propose Colorado Wolf Restoration Plan

DENVER— A group of 14 conservation and wildlife organizations, led by WildEarth Guardians, today put forward their “Colorado Wolf Restoration Plan” as a science-based proposal to guide wolf reintroduction and recovery in Colorado following the passage of Proposition 114 in 2020. The plan focuses on bringing about the immensely positive ecological, economic, and social opportunities for Coloradans and the Colorado landscapes that have been missing wolves for so long by ensuring a self-sustaining, robust population of wolves throughout the Western Slope.

“Colorado needs a plan that focuses on wolf restoration, not wolf ‘management,’ ” said Lindsay Larris, wildlife program director of WildEarth Guardians. “WildEarth Guardians saw the need to develop a plan that prioritizes restoring a self-sustaining population of wolves to Colorado and recognizes that human and wildlife interests can coexist. Colorado has an incredible opportunity to change the narrative for treatment of wolves across the West, and we wanted to show what was possible through this plan.”

“Supporting a plan that considers the wolf as a symbiotic spirit to the needs of ecology is essential for balance of soil systems in prairie lands and mountains,” said Nancy Rae Kochis-Clark founder of Herbal Gardens Wellness. “We at Herbal Gardens Wellness believe in the balance of our health as related to the integrative living of traditional models of health and environmental stewardship.”

“The restoration of this iconic animal to the wild places of Colorado is a remarkable conservation achievement, and something in which Coloradans can really take pride,” said Dillon Hanson-Ahumada, Denver-based, Southern Rockies representative for the Endangered Species Coalition. “The principles in this plan will allow wolves to roam and coexist in the many areas of suitable habitat in Colorado.”

Proposition 114 requires the establishment and maintenance of a “self-sustaining” population of gray wolves in part to “help restore a critical balance in nature.” The plan includes four main elements that are key to any wolf restoration effort: reintroduction areas, a population goal, management guidelines, and compensation considerations.

Based on large suitable habitat blocks, connectivity, and prey presence, the plan identifies 12 optimal areas for initial wolf reintroductions. The areas are dispersed throughout the Western Slope and would ensure the benefits of wolves are distributed across Colorado, as was the intent of Proposition 114.

“Colorado deserves a wolf-management plan that maximizes the successful recovery of wolves, helps them take their rightful place as a critical part of mountain ecosystems,” said Erik Molvar, executive director of Western Watersheds Project. “Science must form the foundation of wolf restoration in Colorado, so that future decisions are guided by a sound framework of scientific knowledge, rather than the whims of political caprice.”

At the heart of the plan is a robust population goal for Colorado wolves. The best available science on self-sustaining populations and modeling of the Western Slope’s carrying capacity for wolves both indicate a minimum population of 150 packs or approximately 750 wolves. The plan is clear that 750 wolves is not a cap, but a minimum requirement for future state delisting from “threatened” to “nongame” status.

Livestock loss prevention and compensation are also major features of the plan. Nonlethal deterrents and conflict minimization tactics are encouraged, and in some cases required, for state assistance. The plan clearly sets out parameters that encourage coexistence and account for the inevitability of some conflict and livestock loss.

“This plan is critical to ensuring Colorado recovers wolves the right way, the first time,” said Michelle Lute, a Ph.D. in wolf conservation and carnivore conservation director for Project Coyote. “All other wolf recovery efforts are mired in controversy because ineffective and counterproductive lethal methods are allowed. Nonlethal tools allow wolf populations at ecologically effective densities and coexistence with humans and domestic animals.”

“Wolves have a tremendous impact on biodiversity and ecosystem health. By reducing overbrowsing by elk and deer, wolves improve the quality of riparian habitat, which benefits beavers, songbirds, amphibians, and fish,” said Johanna Hamburger, director and senior staff attorney for Animal Welfare Institute’s terrestrial wildlife program. “The plan lays out a path forward that would restore balance to landscapes across the Western Slope.”

“Coloradans need to know that killing wolves is not the best way forward,” said Andrea Zaccardi, legal director of the carnivore conservation program at the Center for Biological Diversity. “Our alternative wolf-restoration plan proposes common-sense rules to prevent conflict between livestock and wolves. It gives livestock owners incentives to take responsibility for their deceased livestock, which can attract wolves to vulnerable cattle and sheep. It also prohibits the killing of wolves for preying on livestock on the public lands we all share.”

“Colorado needs wolves. Wolves evolved with our native wildlife and accordingly, these species and the habitats upon which they depend, need these keystone, apex carnivores to keep their populations healthy,” said Delia G. Malone, wildlife chair for Colorado Sierra Club. “But wolves can only fulfill their ecological role if their family groups are intact and not disrupted by human persecution. Where wolves are protected from recreational killing and lethal control, their benefits reach to enhancing biodiversity, improving climate resilience, and even enriching our own lives. Wolves are a part of our natural heritage, a legacy for now and future generations of Coloradans, but only if we decide to change our relationship with the land and its native species from one of domination to one of stewardship. Our vision of Colorado as a sustainable model of gray wolf stewardship can be realized with this restoration plan.”

The plan will be given to Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commissioners prior to their July 21 meeting in Edwards, Colorado. The endorsing organizations hope that the plan will be evaluated as a viable way to fulfill the intent and text of Proposition 114.

WildEarth Guardians, Colorado Sierra Club, and the Humane Society of the United States are hosting a webinar to discuss the plan on Tuesday, July 19th at 12pm MDT. Details and registration here: https://guardiansaction.org/COWolfWebinar


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Or could the coming of the wolves be just another Anti hunter-Anti Gun ploy?


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Colorado Parks and Wildlife has requested increased management flexibility for the species under section 10(j) of the Endangered Species Act
Jul 19, 2022
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DENVER — To assist the state of Colorado in their reintroduction of gray wolves into the state, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Service) is initiating the process to develop an experimental population rule to provide the authority and flexibility needed to manage the reintroduced wolves under the Endangered Species Act (ESA).

While evaluating the state’s request to provide for management of reintroduced wolves as an experimental population under the ESA, the Service must complete an environmental review of the potential impacts under National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) framework through the development of an Environmental Impact Statement (EIS). This announcement is inviting the public to help inform the scope of the EIS at this early stage in the process.

As the result of a statewide voter-led initiative passed in November 2020, Colorado Parks and Wildlife (CPW) is responsible for reintroducing the gray wolf in a portion of the species’ historical range in Colorado no later than December 31, 2023. Since the gray wolf was relisted as an endangered species in February 2022, CPW has requested the designation of an experimental population under section 10(j) of the ESA to provide increased management flexibility.

The Service uses a range of partnerships and conservation tools to recover endangered and threatened species. Section 10(j) allows the Service to designate a population of a listed species as experimental if it will be released into habitat outside the species’ current range. A 10(j) rule would help CPW manage the potential impacts of gray wolf reintroduction to stakeholders while ensuring that reintroduction and management of wolves is likely to be successful and contribute to conservation of the species. Learn more about section 10(j) rules here.

The EIS will consider the environmental and socioeconomic impacts of the potential 10(j) rule and associated management flexibility. The Service is opening a 30-day public comment period for input about the scope of the EIS beginning July 21, 2022; comments can be submitted through regulations.gov. Additionally, the Service is hosting the following public meetings during which the public can provide comments:

August 2, 2022 – Gunnison County Fairgrounds, Gunnison, CO, 6:00 – 8:00 PM 

August 3, 2022 – Silverthorne Pavilion, Silverthorne, CO, 6:00 - 8:00 PM

August 4, 2022 – Moffat County High School, Craig, CO, 6:00 – 8:00 PM

August 10, 2022 – Virtual meeting, 6:00-8:00 PM


The next steps will be for the Service to consider the comments in developing the EIS and alternatives, and to draft a 10(j) rule. Once the draft EIS and draft 10(j) rule are complete there will be a separate public notice and comment period.

For more information about the management of gray wolves in Colorado, please visit the Colorado Ecological Services Field Office webpage.


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“Wolves have a tremendous impact on biodiversity and ecosystem health. By reducing overbrowsing by elk and deer, wolves improve the quality of riparian habitat, which benefits beavers, songbirds, amphibians, and fish,” said Johanna Hamburger, director and senior staff attorney for Animal Welfare Institute’s terrestrial wildlife program. “The plan lays out a path forward that would restore balance to landscapes across the Western Slope.”


Overbrowsing might be helped a little by more hunters and tags...


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they are only 'over browsing' on private land.

that complaint was supposed to instigate more landowner tags, but those damn unintended consequences thing kicked in.
 
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One thing for certain, everyone who owns land resents wolves. Everyone who hunts public land also resents wolves.

Only city people like and want them.

It amazes me we let the ignorant decide what happens anymore.


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There was tons of game in the West while grizzlies and wolves were at their height of population. I agree with Bill Burr the comedian, the real problem is people ... A quote from his special.

“They won’t just come out and say it. Nobody has the balls to say it. Look, 85 percent of you have to go. That’s it! That. Is. It. I have been bitching about the population problem for three specials in a row! Waiting, for some politician to have the balls to bring it up, but they won’t do it. We live in a democracy. A democracy. You can’t be honest in a democracy. You need the votes. You can’t run with that as your platform. Coming out there.” He puts the mic in the stand and begins bellowing: “‘AND IF I’M ELECTED, I WOULD IMPLEMENT A PROGRAM TO IMMEDIATELY ELIMINATE AT LEAST 85 PERCENT OF YOU! THIS PLANET CANNOT SUSTAIN THE SHEER NUMBERS – LET ME FINISH! – THIS WILL NOT BE ARBITRARY. UNDER YOUR SEATS IS A MULTIPLE-CHOICE QUESTIONNAIRE. IF YOU DID NOT BRING A PENCIL, YOU’RE ALREADY OUT!


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There was tons of game in the West while grizzlies and wolves were at their height of population. I agree with Bill Burr the comedian, the real problem is people ... A quote from his special.

“They won’t just come out and say it. Nobody has the balls to say it. Look, 85 percent of you have to go. That’s it! That. Is. It. I have been bitching about the population problem for three specials in a row! Waiting, for some politician to have the balls to bring it up, but they won’t do it. We live in a democracy. A democracy. You can’t be honest in a democracy. You need the votes. You can’t run with that as your platform. Coming out there.” He puts the mic in the stand and begins bellowing: “‘AND IF I’M ELECTED, I WOULD IMPLEMENT A PROGRAM TO IMMEDIATELY ELIMINATE AT LEAST 85 PERCENT OF YOU! THIS PLANET CANNOT SUSTAIN THE SHEER NUMBERS – LET ME FINISH! – THIS WILL NOT BE ARBITRARY. UNDER YOUR SEATS IS A MULTIPLE-CHOICE QUESTIONNAIRE. IF YOU DID NOT BRING A PENCIL, YOU’RE ALREADY OUT!


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There was tons of game in the West while grizzlies and wolves were at their height of population. I agree with Bill Burr the comedian, the real problem is people ... A quote from his special.

“They won’t just come out and say it. Nobody has the balls to say it. Look, 85 percent of you have to go. That’s it! That. Is. It. I have been bitching about the population problem for three specials in a row! Waiting, for some politician to have the balls to bring it up, but they won’t do it. We live in a democracy. A democracy. You can’t be honest in a democracy. You need the votes. You can’t run with that as your platform. Coming out there.” He puts the mic in the stand and begins bellowing: “‘AND IF I’M ELECTED, I WOULD IMPLEMENT A PROGRAM TO IMMEDIATELY ELIMINATE AT LEAST 85 PERCENT OF YOU! THIS PLANET CANNOT SUSTAIN THE SHEER NUMBERS – LET ME FINISH! – THIS WILL NOT BE ARBITRARY. UNDER YOUR SEATS IS A MULTIPLE-CHOICE QUESTIONNAIRE. IF YOU DID NOT BRING A PENCIL, YOU’RE ALREADY OUT!


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Hmmm...


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There was tons of game in the West while grizzlies and wolves were at their height of population. I agree with Bill Burr the comedian, the real problem is people ... A quote from his special.

“They won’t just come out and say it. Nobody has the balls to say it. Look, 85 percent of you have to go. That’s it! That. Is. It. I have been bitching about the population problem for three specials in a row! Waiting, for some politician to have the balls to bring it up, but they won’t do it. We live in a democracy. A democracy. You can’t be honest in a democracy. You need the votes. You can’t run with that as your platform. Coming out there.” He puts the mic in the stand and begins bellowing: “‘AND IF I’M ELECTED, I WOULD IMPLEMENT A PROGRAM TO IMMEDIATELY ELIMINATE AT LEAST 85 PERCENT OF YOU! THIS PLANET CANNOT SUSTAIN THE SHEER NUMBERS – LET ME FINISH! – THIS WILL NOT BE ARBITRARY. UNDER YOUR SEATS IS A MULTIPLE-CHOICE QUESTIONNAIRE. IF YOU DID NOT BRING A PENCIL, YOU’RE ALREADY OUT!


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Hmmm...


Unless he’s joking, then he might be the funniest troll on here
 
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SSS simply said Shoot Shovel and Shutup


It would be more fun to cage trap a half dozen or so, load them up in the back of the suburban, and release them on fifth Avenue.
 
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SSS simply said Shoot Shovel and Shutup


It would be more fun to cage trap a half dozen or so, load them up in the back of the suburban, and release them on fifth Avenue.


Monkeypox control. Big Grin

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There was tons of game in the West while grizzlies and wolves were at their height of population. I agree with Bill Burr the comedian, the real problem is people ... A quote from his special.

“They won’t just come out and say it. Nobody has the balls to say it. Look, 85 percent of you have to go. That’s it! That. Is. It. I have been bitching about the population problem for three specials in a row! Waiting, for some politician to have the balls to bring it up, but they won’t do it. We live in a democracy. A democracy. You can’t be honest in a democracy. You need the votes. You can’t run with that as your platform. Coming out there.” He puts the mic in the stand and begins bellowing: “‘AND IF I’M ELECTED, I WOULD IMPLEMENT A PROGRAM TO IMMEDIATELY ELIMINATE AT LEAST 85 PERCENT OF YOU! THIS PLANET CANNOT SUSTAIN THE SHEER NUMBERS – LET ME FINISH! – THIS WILL NOT BE ARBITRARY. UNDER YOUR SEATS IS A MULTIPLE-CHOICE QUESTIONNAIRE. IF YOU DID NOT BRING A PENCIL, YOU’RE ALREADY OUT!


Just in case any of y’all were wondering who the dumbest SOB on AR was…… Here’s your winner


I'm guessin you didn't bring a pencil ...


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SSS simply said Shoot Shovel and Shutup


It would be more fun to cage trap a half dozen or so, load them up in the back of the suburban, and release them on fifth Avenue.


Or Rock Creek Park...


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I live in Colorado (Western Slope). It's a matter of country mice vs city mice. The liberal front range: Boulder/Denver out-number us. Rural Colorado is still pretty cool but the the front range (Denver/Boulder) not so much. This wolf initiative was shoved down our throat and stipulated re-introduction in the rural northern/western areas.

And yes, this is very much an anti hunting thing.


I say turn some loose in the 'burbs of Denver-Boulder and their front range parks. Get some of their pets chomped up. Let them see some critters killed/mangled by wolves on a blood lust.

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Clearly, urban majorities are a menace to the rest of us. I blame it all on the one man, one vote thing. They will always win. Always. I don't know how to get around it.


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Dump them in every blue state.
 
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It's honestly too bad this is happening. As a rural American I tire of dropped off pets that also impact my livestock. I do not enjoy having to dispatch them. URBAN people bring their unwanted pets out here. Mad

I trap varmints year round and run LGD's to guard my stock. I also utilize other predators to guard my stock (yes, very possible). I have a rifle and a hand gun with me at all times when I am working around my property.

I've said it before and I will say it again. There is no room for wolves anywhere in the lower 48.


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