one of the guys at work here spent last week in northern minn. ice fishing,(which of course requires sufficient bar time) andway in a discussion sith some of the locals he had a rather enlightening experience if wolves and their demise. Today the tracking devices are sput between the shoulders internally, so it would necessary to skin the wolf to get the tracking device, however collars are more easily removed. Disposal methods include: hanging 100' in the air from large spruce tree, Putting into the dumpster behind the DNR bldg. Placeing it on the trailer hitch of a car while parked at the indian casino, Tossing it into the back of a interstate moving truck, and last but not least, hiding it in the back of the game wardens truck while he is investigating the report of a wolf being shot.

Put between the shoulder's internally? Sounds like a waste of tax dollars. Most of us shoot for the shoulder and we might hit and destroy a device. Then how do we find it next time? These thing's need to be on neck collar's so they can be recycled!

Them crazy guys

They used to be just under the skin on the belly, as I understand it there aren't many "collared" ones up there any more.

This past deer season there were quite a few wolfs shot in Wisconsin including a number of them with collars on. One collar was found wrapped around a log floating down the Wisconsin River!!!

Of course, I'm a stupid old man living in New York - but reading the above posts - I get the impression of guys illegally drinking whiskey during the prohibition era (when everybody and his wife ignored the law -because the people didn't want to obey it) I freely admit that at one time I was in favor of putting wolves where ever they could survive - until I heard from people who lived with wolves. I freely admit to liking wolves (they are ancestors of dogs)but I have learned to yield to what you guys think who live with them. (I grew up where farmers in the Great Depression routinely shot deer the year around because times were hard and a man needed meat to feed a family (and I knew many a time when a farmer had a deer in Spring or summer -and I looked the other way and I am no hypocrite as to say that men should not kill wolves if they are hurting him or his family.

Gerry 375;Intelligent post, I find them interesting as well.But I live in an area where they kill dogs,cattle and horses.Which I wont tolerate,the goverment hunters tell us to gut shoot them.w/regards

Another intelligent wolf thread!

We only have 3 left before they start to get moved to the Political forum (or even the Wildlife Management forum??) so make them good ones!!......

Without VG they may get a little stale though...

The worst part is that by throwing the collars away you are probably hurting deer and elk research....... and causing some poor researcher to have to go back to Mule Deer Foundation or RMEF and ask for another $4000 for a collar....not all collars are there for the benefit of the wolf....

IV

Hey IV, these guys don't give a shit. They could care less that they are hurting wolf delistation, they could care less that are impacting studies for other wildlife species as well....just a bunch of red neck vigilanties who have no regard for anthing. They don't realize that when they shoot a wolf, the ramifications are larger than what their pea brains have rationalized.

Now I know who is responsible for all the antelope and deer I see shot and left after the deer season....the assholes on this thread who believe in the BS "SSS".....

MG

Its funny how people want to defer to "those who live with them"--

So should we take no action to help maintain Polar bears? Should we defer to those who "live with them"--

Should we take no action to conserve elephants in Africa? I am no wildlife expert but last I checked, elephants are not roaming the wild in North America?

So if you believe the wolf should only be managed/commented upon by those who live around them you must also believe American/Canadian members of SCI are putting there nose where it is not welcome!!

Any person who puts forth the SSS idea is not fit to call themselves a hunter.

A few groups were around once that held similar philosophies to SSS--

the KKK....
the Nazis....

See any similarities???

Dang, this thread just looks like another bunch of blowhards looking for another battle. Such brave talk of poaching wolves. It is impresive. The best any of these here could do is spread more poisoned weenies (no surprise that's their favorite bait).

Gopherguts - I'm sure you shoot those weenie tossers too as they kill a lot more dogs than wolves.

Having grown up with dogs and wolves I neverlost one in 18 yrs. or so. Just lucky I guess.

Gopherguts, you kill every bear, every mountain lion, and, of course, every coyote, without exception right?

What a bunch of weenies.

Brent

It saddens me in regards to the human spirit that some "sportsman" merely view conservation as a means to increase the numbers of the animal they like to hunt. These people are neither sportsman, nor conservationist IMHO. Pretty petty I think.

It takes a very small man, and small brain to appreciate that more wolves mean less game animals. Is there anything inherently wrong with more wolves and less game? They will strike a balance on their own terms. The elk will not be all killed. If they are, what will the wolves eat?

Do we want a natural world not governed by its own balance, but rather populated with species densities dictated by Mans' whims?

I do believe there should be some game management and not ecological chaos. Part of that will eventually mean hunting wolves which would be great. The more illegal wolf shooting there are, the further off that day will be.

The worst part of all of this is that somewhere and anti is quoting the SSS crowd on this board and painting us all with the same brush. This is very dangerous to us.

I have an idea: Lets put up a bunch of big yellow "wolf crossing" signs that they can keep busy shooting holes in from the safety of their truck all within arms reach of the beer.

WESR, I think you about said it all.

The choice is defining wildlife management as managing WILDlife, or simply a means of producing targets. I'm afraid much of the hunting world now sees wildlife as merely something to shoot and kill.

Brent

It is all about money brentski! Your liberal leftwing buddies know about that allllll to welll!

Brent;You dont have a dime invested in this subject via my perspective and that is defending my property and way of life.we spend long hours w/our cattle,horses and become very attached to them.
In your short life I kind of understand why you are so ignorant on this subject.I am coming 63 and have ridden all over Montana and seen and experienced things you will never.
You might also like to know if a weenie tosser killed one of my dogs,I am likely going to jail.
Bears if I ever kill one it will be in self defense.I dont kill what I dont eat.I might kill a trophy lion but wont spend a lot of time doing it.Coyotes I only shoot the ones w/mange.
I doubt we will ever be able to hunt wolves and I have no interest in it.

If one as to ask what to do, one has no bussness doing anything.

If one talks about it they are very stuip.

gopoherguts. Good to hear from you. I'm only 49 or so and have only ridden or walked around every state in the West, the North and a bunch of other places which have bears, lions, and wolves. I've lived in a few of them.

I also own horses, I take them out where there are scary toothy things, and I try to take my dogs there too. I lived with wolves and raised dogs for nearly 20 yrs. Never a problem. So I guess I've done a few things in my short life that you have yet to accomplish in your long life.

Now I can't take my dogs where the weenie tossers hang out - namely WY, MT, ID. It ain't the wolves. It's the weenies.

As for dimes, them's my federal tax dimes otr there subsidizing cattle ranchers, National Forest, and all the rest. You guys seem to like taking the money and cheap graze.

Brent

Brent ;I have no grazing rights and pay taxes as well.w/regards

Back when I used to not pay attention to the wildlife laws I learned a microwave will destroy a turkey tag.

let me weigh in on this.i'm not so mad at the wolf and i think its great to live in a state w/ wild enough country to support the wolf/griz. the part of all of this that makes me the maddest is the smoke that has been blown up the public's backside.the mountain states were surveyed and all said no to reintroduction.so they were put in ynp to "control the expanding buffalo population." "they will never leave ynp" fish and wildlife bioligist state that wyoming management plan is sound and will ensure a steady wolf population."wyomings plan is holding up delisting" "the wolf will be delisted when pack #s = X and there are 300 total wolves in the recovery area" "its the drought and the grizzly that have decimated the northern elk herd in the last 10 years."
cmon i may of been born at night but not last night just give me the staight scoop and let me make up my own mind,don't force anything on me and when you tell me you are going to do something in a intellegent and timely fashion get it done and don't jerk me around especially when it concerns something i care deeply about,ie;wildlife in my home state.this political posturing and feet dragging has got to come to a quick end.when other species are severly impacted by the foot dragging and overpopulation of a federally protected species it is a "CRIME" to let it continue.

I think i got my belly full of wolves when i saw them killing caribou after caribou, waaaaaaay more than they could eat, just leaveing them... they kill just to kill...

OR, pulling down a cow moose, pull the calf out, eat a bit of it, just to leave the cow to die a painfull slow death... Then off they go humnting again...

That's the day i decided to start doing my part.

DM

Turn the collar off. If you have turned off the wolf, turn off the collar the same way.